Timestream Bifurcation / Fractal Soliton of Improbability

Terence McKenna’s hypothesis of …

Timestream Bifurcation / Fractal Soliton of Improbability

aka “Roman Chariots On The Moon”

September 3rd, 2009 discussion between Out The Rabbit Hole radio show host Robert Larson and guest SMiles Lewis about Terence McKenna‘s wild idea about our bifurcated reality.

 

June 30th, 2025 marked the 117th anniversary of the great mystery explosion over Siberia in 1908 (aka “The Tunguska Event”) of what most have come to believe was the “largest asteroid impact in recorded history.” In the following days the media has begun reporting on the discovery of “Comet 3I/ATLAS … the third interstellar object we have seen in the solar system.” The first being Oumuamua, back in 2017, which was “the first confirmed interstellar object detected passing through the Solar System.” These two resonant events also occurred between the bookends of the two different World UFO Days (June 24th and July 2nd) with the earliest mainstream reporting I can find coming from Avi Loeb’s blog and New Scientist magazine on July 2nd.

Back on September 3rd, 2009 I had a discussion with Out The Rabbit Hole radio show host Robert Larson about Terence McKenna‘s wild idea about our bifurcated reality caused by a fractal soliton of improbability. This hypothesis of McKenna’s was inspired by a vision he had during meditation and which involves an alternate explanation for the 1908 Tunguska blast that incorporates bifurcated timestreams, alternate histories, Siberian psychedelic shamanism and the UFO phenomenon.

The source material for this wild idea was not readily accessible in 2009 and stemmed from an analog cassette tape recording of a Terence McKenna talk that I’d been gifted back in the 1990s. Since that time, with the rise of McKenna’s fandom, this material has proliferated in the form of YouTube videos and podcast and even song lyrics propagating this theory.

So strap in for a weird wild ride. A transcript of our discussion plus links galore to the proliferating original source material are below as well as links to news articles referenced above.

 – SMiles Lewis

 

 

Transcript: OTRH – Fractal Soliton of Improbability (KUCI 88.9 FM, September 3rd, 2009)

Robert Larson: I guess we should get to something we’ve been wanting to talk about, you and I on the show. It’s something we’ve mentioned previously, you and I talked quite a bit about consciousness, exploring that weird mystery of existence. What consciousness is, and mentioned several different writers and thinkers who have explored this and we’ve gotten into the work of Philip K. Dick and his ideas about alternate realities which have been popularized more through recent years through the making of some of his stories into movies. So we’ve talked about his work and several other people, and one of the people we often refer back to is Terence McKenna, and he just did so much work to open our minds and other people we know, to possibilities of what’s going on. Kind of opening us up to realize that many things that we took for granted were, were just that, things that we were taking for granted, they were really not based on solid reality. So, McKenna was one of the people who really popularized the notion of psychedelics, particularly tryptamine hallucinogens, psilocybin mushrooms, DMT and others, as tools for expanding our awareness. And he, but the thing that really fascinated both us I think about McKenna, was, his speculations, things that he would come up with that he sometimes said just came to him, or were based on these, this intelligence that seems to be part of the tryptamine realm, the speculations that he came up with about reality, about how it was all put together, and one of these things that I had gotten wind of, years back, and had sort of understood it and mentioned it, because I loved the phrase, it sounded so cool, that was, the Fractal Soliton of Improbability, and I know this Miles that you liked this as well, but having not quite heard about it as much, and so recently, I’ve done some research on it and gotten a better understanding of it. So those of you, listeners who heard us say that, and thought “Wow, yeah, that, that’s bizarre, but, but really, what is it?” We’re going to try to break that down a little more today. So, SMiles, what have you, what has been your understanding over the last few weeks as far as looking into this a little more, that you didn’t understand before?

SMiles Lewis: Well, yea, you turned me onto this years ago by sending me through snail mail a cassette tape of an old Terence McKenna lecture and I think it was some, it was you or somebody had titled it, “Roman Chariots on the Moon,” and I’ve been looking for that again, but I haven’t been able to find it yet, but about a month or so ago, I came across a link at a blog called dream flesh, I believe it’s by a guy over in London, and he had gone to the trouble of transcribing, a particular lecture of McKenna’s that he found in this wonderful collection of archived lectures of McKenna’s with a bunch of other wonderful people, and in this audio, this is only other reference I’d ever come across to this idea of the Fractal Soliton of Improbability that McKenna was talking about. And, in fact, it actually has resonance with several of his other ideas, this idea of the time wave, the idea of the ingression of novelty leading towards some omega point, in the, late, you know, December 2012 region, and it’s also connected to his ideas about UFOs and whatnot, and having you know, devoured as much of his, material as I could, from his published books to these wonderful lectures that he did all the time across the planet, I really didn’t come across this idea very much and it’s a very specific idea, and that idea is, in a nutshell, that there is this type of physics entity in the universe called a Soliton of Improbability, and that it’s, he’s described it both as a wave and a particle. In its wave aspect, it’s a wave that has one interval. If it’s just like one cycle, it only happens once, and he, apparently he was meditating in his usual way, which I assume either means that he was high on pot or psilocybin or maybe he was just meditating strait, I dunno, but he came up with this idea, it came to him as if it was delivered by this other realm. You know, he had always posited these “elf infested spaces” that he says that, you know, the psychedelic research that he’s done, seems to grant access to, and many other researches seem to support this contention, that the aboriginal cultures of our planet have always been in contact with this other realm, that there seem to be entities in this other realm that communicate with us. You know, he says that this other realm communicated with him, but this time, it told him something different, in a very short amount of time. And that different thing that he was told was that this Fractal Soliton of Improbability hit our planet, way back, either, you can shift this either way, to either the immaculate conception or the resurrection. And either way, the idea is simply, that the birth of Christ was this most improbable event in our reality, induced by our planet encountering this Soliton of Improbability and that it instantly created two different versions of our planet and he of course likens the idea behind this to, I think it’s John Archibold Wheeler, the physicist who posited that, with every decision that’s made, there are two, you know, universes created, in other words, the multi-world interpretation where there are an infinite number of possible realities each based upon the decisions that we make, and also just, you know, different probabilities that certain actions could lead down. And he says that this created two different realities and one in which Christ was born and one where Christ was not born. And basically, that obviously, we’re in the one where he was born into, in which what he described as the demiurge that conspired to manifest itself in our reality and that the toppling of Roman civilization such as it was, by this myth of Jesus and the resurrection retarded our technological growth, not so much our technology, but retarded our growth in directions it would have gone had Christ never existed. And that basically, Hypatia wouldn’t have been murdered, stoned to death, and we would have calculus much, much more early in our history, and basically, in this other reality, they progressed, without the repression of the Christian epoch and that, lead them to, earlier to being seafaring, lead them to meeting the Mayans, resulted in a global Greco, Roman, Mayan cybernetic culture that encompassed a knowledge of the power and use of psychedelic plants and the exploration of consciousness and then at some point, their exploration of consciousness brought them into an awareness of our reality. Their shadow reality, the bifurcated reality that was created when the Soliton of Improbability wrenched our world into these two different time streams, and this leads to the idea, and he was, you know, this was a vision of his that he was experiencing in a very short amount of time in which he, to my knowledge he only spoke or wrote about a handful of times. it didn’t I don’t think ever make it into any official book of his that I’m aware. And in some ways, it complimentary, and in some ways it contradicts his other ideas about 2012 and UFOs but I wouldn’t, I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive, but anyway, he posits that at some point that they realized that this separate time stream was created, this separate planet where we are was created and they have started a program of trying to contact us and that is in fact part of the UFO phenomenon. But also, around our year 1908, 1906, whenever it was that Tunguska blast occurred that that in fact was them testing their hypothesis that they had discovered nuclear atomic bomb technology much earlier than we had, but didn’t do anything with it because of their culture being so radically different, and they tested the hypothesis that if they detonated the bomb in their reality, it would have effects in our reality. And supposedly by monitoring the dreams of Siberian shamen, they were able to discern that yes in fact, you know, that these hundreds of acres or however much square miles of these trees were knocked down by the blast, and it’s an enigma that’s confounded, our reality’s scientist for a long, long time, you know, was it a UFO that exploded, was it some kind of weird nuclear device? You know, was it a comet, or not a comet, but an asteroid or a meteor or some such? A lot of different hypotheses, but he’s saying “no,” in this vision, he was told that is was a deliberate act on their part, to test the overflow of these energies, which, you know, it’s really interesting to me, because he does describe himself as a contactee, a UFO contactee, not an alien, not an alien abductee, but a contactee. And of course, his experiences with the Amazon involved, him seeing a classic George Adamski style, nuts and bolts flying saucer, but which at the time he was witnessing it, he goes “you know, I know that those were hoaxed photographs, and yet here I am, seeing this thing.” You know, of course he was under the influence psychedelics, but, as he says, he’s one of the preeminent people on the effects of psychedelics, so he should be able to discern a hallucination from a real phenomenon, and it came out of a cloud, in the classic cloud / cigar type of UFO where there’s this cylindrical, anomalous object that seems to eject other objects that then fly around, and so, he posits that UFO phenomenon is this culture, trying to get our attention, trying to take, lead us away from the potential of us destroying, not just ourselves with atomic weapons, but their reality as well. Now, he says, by this point, at our time point in their reality, they’re about twelve hundred, fifteen hundred years technologically ahead of us and they already populated the stars, so, it’s not this is their home world, it’s just it is, or rather, it’s not that this is the only world that they live on, it’s their home world.

Robert Larson: Right, it has some like, almost religious significance in a certain sense, you know, it’s the, the, origin of everything and is sort of like a reverence for preserving it. And so, so they’re worried, they’d, in their alternate time stream, they did the atomic blast as a test, just to test to see their hypothesis, that it would leak over into the other time stream, our time stream which they had discovered. And then, when they realized that was true, they became concerned, that, you know, that we were going to develop atomic weapons, which we did, and then we wouldn’t be so advanced enough to know that it would, you know, it would “F” up and leak over into this other time stream and so, they’re concerned about that, and trying to stop us from doing any more nuclear blasts than we’ve already done.

SMiles Lewis: And which in fact, the UFO contactee movement, in the fifties and sixties that the United States experienced, and really the world, but particularly in the United States, that was one of the central messages, was: “you’ve got to stop exploding these atomic weapons, you don’t understand, you know, the effects it’s having in other parts of the universe and in other realities.” You know, they may not have couched it in terms of, you know, Solitons of Improbability and quantum mechanics and that sort of thing, but, you know the occult world has been very well versed in the idea of alternate dimensions, whatever, however how you want to define them, and in the fifties and sixties contactee literature, you know, which is very much springing from out of the occult literature, the occult experience, there’s this message from these space brothers that; “Hey, you know,,you need to stop doing that.” So, it’s really kind of interesting. And actually, even in the modern abductee, the more modern abductee literature, that was another central theme, the idea that we’re destroying the earth. Though, usually in those cases, it’s almost always from an ecological standpoint as opposed to a nuclear weapons standpoint. But, so Vallee, Vallee was saying a lot of things that influenced McKenna as far as his ideas about the nature of the phenomena. McKenna did really, conceive of UFO phenomena as being, this result of the, what he believed to be the  Overmind, the Oversoul, and in which he agreed with Vallee that it was acting as a cultural thermostat. That whenever, humans decided, got overly one thing or another in the case of modern man becoming overly rational, overly scientific, and to the detriment of our ethics and the environment, that this  Overmind, you know, redirects human consciousness through these anomalous encounters that influence the culture and society at large to go in a different direction, and, this is something that, both Vallee and McKenna were very concerned about, though for slightly different reasons, and they had their differences, but in a lot of ways, they had a lot of the same ideas. But, so with this Soliton of Improbability McKenna is positing again that the UFO phenomena is part of that, though he never really went into much detail about that, but he’s suggesting this alternative to his ideas about what’s going to happen towards the end of 2012, that perhaps, that is what they’re leaning towards, that this other time stream’s civilization is trying to bring our two time streams back together, and perhaps that is what is going to happen at the end of 2012. And, I know there’s been so much said about 2012 in the last year and half, two years. I mean obviously anybody’s who been in the new age community has been hearing about it for, a decade or more, but, you know, for the average listener, they’re probably just hearing about this, and then they might hear: “oh, that’s that Sony movie that’s coming out, you know,” which they’ve been seeing the previews for with the Tibetan running across the hills and banging the gong, and then this huge tidal wave coming and it’s all disasters and whatnot and that’s a very strange viral, ARG, marketing program, campaign for that movie, but, there’s been a number of books on the subject, and you’ve had guests on talking about this, and it is more than just this, you know, goofy new-aged idea about the end times, you know? There is more, much more to it, especially when you consider the fact that somebody like McKenna arrived at that date, in a completely circuitous route that didn’t have anything to do with studying the Mayans. The Mayans being the ones that most people point to, that say tit was they who said that reality was going to change, that it would be the end of an age and the birth of a new one, at least on their calendar. And he is basically suggesting, in different sources, I’ve since found another article where he apparently wrote, more specifically about what he thought might happen, but he was suggesting that a huge portal might be created in which we would have the opportunity in this reality to go over to that reality, where this, somehow the act of creating this “time bridge,” or this “reality bridge” would bring our time streams back together. Our reality streams, our earths back together. And, you know, his whole idea about 2012 is that we will be unrecognizable to ourselves after that point. And that has always been a hard contention for me to swallow. I mean I, it’s… about the only thing I can conceive of is like: “okay, it’ll be like a dream?” You know, yeah, but the dream time seems pretty strange to me. It seems like the strangest thing I’ve ever experienced besides psychedelics. And really, there are a lot of similarities there, because you’re, they’re both allowing access to the unconscious and, it’s the unconscious that seems to be the everyday portal to, much of the, these realms.

Robert Larson: Well, what about the notion that our waking reality is really what is bizarre? We just think of it as not bizarre because we spend so much time there and, that, we have a sort of chauvinistic, provincial kind of view, and that if we took a step back, you know, maybe that is pretty weird that you can have thoughts, but then you’re not able to just manifest them. You know, like you can do in a dream? Why is that weird wall there? So, you understand what I’m saying? Kind of flip it around? Yeah?

SMiles Lewis: Absolutely, absolutely, no, I think that that’s- as you know, my feeling is exactly that. That’s pretty much what the teachings of all aboriginal cultures have been telling us. It might not be the literal message they’re living their lives by, but I think that’s the implication of so much of this anomalous stuff that we investigate is, that it’s pointing towards, this idea, in some ways, those two realms can be one. And I think, really that’s what McKenna keeps going to as this idea of what he thinks, you know, human destiny is, is this, interiorizing, of our body image, but the exteriorizing of our imaginations and our souls. This kind of, you know, manifesting like, with Buddhists and their approach to lucid dreaming. It’s all about, becoming more lucid in this reality and in some ways, I think that means making it more dreamlike by virtue of being able to more easily manifest what you want to, in this reality. As opposed to just, “oh I can, I’ve learned how to, you know, manifest, you know, thirteen virgins in heaven in my dreams,” you know?

Robert Larson: That was a good one. So, yeah, so … McKenna’s whole, Fractal Soliton of Improbability, concept, it’s just – you and I could probably do three whole shows on just that. I mean, we’re almost out of time here, and we’ve just scratched this a bit but, it’s this- I enjoy the concept, that’s a weird way to put it, but I do, I enjoy talking about it, on so many levels, cuz it’s- it’s so-, it brings in so many, like sci-fi ideas, but yet it’s being presented as like: “well maybe this is how it really is?” And, I like this notion that this more advanced version of us, this alternate time stream that didn’t get “retarded” as you said, by the Christian epoch, this alternate time stream that just had science zoom ahead, and is now so far ahead of us, they, worked with dreams, really understood that dreams are so powerful, and these things that we think of as Jungian psychology and Shamanism, and really worked with that, to such a degree, that just discovered us. That’s such an elegant notion, and that, now they are working on technology to, actually now they’ve discovered us, to bring us back together with them. Because they’re a little fearful of having us out here on our own any longer with our nuclear weapons and all.

SMiles Lewis: Yeah! With our fingers on the button.

Robert Larson: Yeah, yeah, so that’s just a really great and interesting concept and ties in with so many mystical, occult and UFO traditions. And it also has so many resonances with the ideas, the writings of Philip K. Dick. You know, one of his big things, it was in Valis, and maybe one of his other books, was this notion of this parallel reality, that it was our earth, you know, cruising along on an alternate history, where the Roman Empire didn’t fall. And that he actually, when he has had his sort of crisis experience, his pink beam experience out here in Fullerton, California, was actually having visions of this sort of like, Roman Empire, superimposed over the everyday reality he was seeing out here in Orange County. And, so, yeah, it’s just, it doesn’t appear and McKenna doesn’t say that he just, he, thought this all out. That he does say that it just came to him. But it’s so amazing that it ties so many of these things together. 

SMiles Lewis: Yeah, and you know, the skeptical view, it could just be, you know, a brilliant mind who in a flash of inspiration and drug induced, euphoria came up with a bunch of dots connected, and a cohesive story. That’s all, in a lot of ways it is, for you and I, it’s a myth, that we find interesting and that we find some meaningfulness to, but that which we don’t necessarily accept as absolute truth and religion. And in fact, he did describe it, his shield for, talking about was, “well, it’s just a science fiction story I came up with.” And that’s a really nice foil and so many of his ideas, he would, one time he would just say: “look, this is the truth. I feel it, I experienced it. It’s real.” And other times he’s like, “well, you know, you can take it or leave it, I’m not saying it’s truth, but it’s one idea that seems to fit the data.” And I like that a lot about him, and that’s one of the things that we like about a lot of our teachers, the leaders in these different fields is that they do question their own assumptions and they don’t just necessarily subscribe to one interpretation. But yes, it’s fascinating stuff, and his whole take on the UFO thing I think is still, every time I hear him speak, every time I read something of his, I just come back to the sense that he’s really onto it. He really had a grasp of a postmodern appreciation of what UFOs, the UFOs part, the part they’ve played in our history, in our culture and perhaps our future.

Robert Larson: Yeah, and he always referred to it in the singular. The UFO. And in this, you know, that is was a concept. And again, not that it was real or fake, but it’s this concept, I think he called it, an Idea complex. And, with a lot to teach us, and, right, okay, well wow, we’re just about out of time here. Why don’t you, before we have to go here, SMiles Lewis, give out some of your websites and any information you want so that people can contact you, or find out more about what you’re doing?

SMiles Lewis: Alright, well, they can go to P-S-I-O-P Radio- PsiOp Radio dot com and, they can listen to all the archives of our past shows, we’re up to like eighty, I think our eighty seventh, eighty eighth episode now and there’s a couple of videos there, fans and myself have created, kind of like, best of clips from some of our shows, where we have some images and a video montage. Of course my main site’s Elfis dot net, E-L-F-I-S dot net. You mentioned anomaly magazine dot com, anomaly archives dot org, anomaly radio dot com. And, people can email me at web- W-E-B- at Elfis dot net, and, yeah, you know, we talk about so many different subjects and there’s just always so much going on and it really does seem like that, I think both McKenna and Robert Anton Wilson talked about this idea, the doubling of knowledge and how we seem to be racing towards some omega point where, you know, our lives seem so hectic, more and more, and we’re subjected to so much change, very day in the form of, “I can’t believe I just read about such and such, person passing away, or such and such discovery, or- of this horrible scary thing going on in the environment, or this horrible scary thing going on with the government. And yet, humanity is still humanity. We still have so much potential for good and liberty and freedom for all. We really, we can do it, you know? This whole idea that there’s too many of us, well maybe there are, but we haven’t learned how to properly live, in balance with nature, and that’s really where McKenna was, what he was all about was, you know, finding that balance point where we could be stewards, for nature and the planet and be more responsible, ethical with our development of our science and our technology, for a better, spiritual community.

Robert Larson: Alright, that’s a great note to leave it on, SMiles Lewis, Stephen Miles Lewis. Thanks so much for being with us and I’ll give out a little more of that information before I close out here, for contacting you, or checking out your websites. So yeah, thanks again for being with us.

SMiles Lewis: Thank you.

Robert Larson: Alright, take care.

SMiles Lewis: Bye.

Robert Larson: Yeah, so Stephen Miles Lewis, and yeah, PsiOp Radio. You can find him there. He’s doing a great show there. Really interesting stuff. Anomaly magazine. Anomaly Radio. Elfis dot net. And, yeah, the McKenna thing we were talking about. SMiles sent me an article, “The Great Time Stream Bifurcation.” I think you can GOOGLE that, and, that has a short piece that McKenna wrote, kind of, summarizing what this is about. But, a fascinating little concept, or grand concept I should say, to have a little fun with. Alright so, I’ll remind you again, the opinions expressed on this program are not necessarily those of the KUCI staff or the management or the UC board of regents and, if you want to email me, you can contact me at RG Larson at KUCI dot org and yeah, okay. This is Robert Larson, saying I’ll be talking to you next week and, stay tuned as always to 88.9 FM in Irvine, KUCI, and it’s, KUCI dot org as well.

 

 

 

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The Great Timestream Bifurcation
Terence McKenna
Ojai Foundation
April 1986

Here is a true enough myth of our world. It begins with the notion of a soliton of improbability. Let us imagine that these are events which only happen once, and since they only happen once they are not legitimate objects for scientific inquiry, because objects of scientific inquiry must happen at least twice; but this is a phenomenon which happens only once, and we can visualize it as a kind of particle. These solitons of the utterly improbable crisscross the universe, occasionally colliding with an existing event system. When they collide with an existing event system, that event system bifurcates into two event systems in order to preserve a kind of parity of probability — a term I invented that need not be taken seriously — but in the pursuit of the preservation of the parity of probability, the soliton creates a temporal bifurcation.

We have reached the top of the steep learning curve in this concept system. Now here’s the good news: the soliton of improbability which interacted with our world occurred 2,000 years ago in the phenomenon of the Immaculate Conception: an event that I  think you and I can agree is highly improbable! But let us take it at face value and see  if we can work with it. When the Immaculate Conception occurred through the collision of the soliton of improbability with this Galilean village girl called Marian or Mary, in one world she became impregnated with a figure destined for a great religious and political future: our world, the world in which Christ was born, became a young man, taught his message, and went to his execution around 27 A.D. Another world sprang into existence at the moment of the Immaculate Conception, and in that world nothing whatsoever happened to this young Galilean girl. She continued to live with Joseph. He continued to make fine furniture. Eventually they were able to move to the better side of Nazareth, and that was their story. It’s the claim of Christian theologians that Christ comes in the center of history. They speak this same language: before Christ no souls were entering heaven. He freed the valve and now it’s possible to enter into heaven. Before his intercession that was impossible.

So, you see, I’m suggesting that at the time of Christ a parallel world came into existence that knew nothing of Christ, and consequently the forces which shattered Roman civilization never came into existence in that parallel world. Instead, Greek science and mathematics continued to enrich Roman engineering, government and theories of civil polity. The wonderful female mathematical genius Hypatia was able to complete her career. She was stoned to death by Christians in our world, yet in the parallel world she lived to old age and was able to elaborate the calculus some thousand years before Newton. This meant that by the 6th century or so this Greco-Roman world had shipbuilding and navigational techniques that were possessed in our world only by Elizabethan times. Roman navigators, inspired by the perfection of their science, set sail to explore the world, and in that parallel continuum they discovered the Maya just as they were reaching their classic climax in the jungles of Central America.

Approximately 900 years after the bifurcation into the two timestreams, a Greco-Roman-Mayan civilization came into being in the parallel continuum. The great influence on the Greco-Roman psychology from this cultural adventure was the sophisticated use of psychedelic drugs for the purposes of religion and self-exploration. In the vision in which this idea was shown to me by the powers of the other side, I actually saw the Roman emperor Cosmodorus the Fifth and his retinue arriving at Tikal in the ninth century for the coronation of Three-Flint-Knife at the end of that Baktun 8; a great confluence of imperial majesty as the greatest king of the Mayan cultural climax received his European counterpart, and documents, codices, mathematicians, instruments of navigation and pharmacy were traded.

The genius of the Mayans in mathematics and astronomy and their extremely sophisticated psychopharmacopoeia and shamanism mated with Neoplatonism and Hermeticism, so that rather than science developing as it developed in our world, a kind of magical, psychopharmacological technology of thought and understanding developed over the centuries. In later centuries — centuries before it happened in our world — they contacted the Orient, and the dynastic influence of the Song poured itself  into the creation of a global civilization such that by around 1200 A.D. they were able to land on the moon and create a cybernetic global civilization similar to the kind we have now. They continued evolving with all this psychotronic and shamanically-derived technology, and by this time you can imagine that it was an unbelievably exotic and alien civilization compared to our own.

The fruit of their psychedelic and psychoanalytic investigations into higher space was the discovery of our world. By studying the dreams of psychotics in their world, they slowly became aware of our existence. They found out what had happened. They figured it out by studying dreams, and by making deep journeys into the psychedelic space they were able to discover our sleeping unconscious, with its repository of the legacy of the Christian centuries under the reign of this demiurgic ideology, and they conceived of the notion of saving us.

Further, by extension of their more advanced understanding of atomic and particle physics, by around the year 1900 in our continuum they came to the hypothesis that major releases of hard radiation would penetrate across the energy barrier of the two timestreams. They conducted an experiment to test this hypothesis: they decided to set off a small atomic device in their continuum and to monitor the dreams of sensitive people in our continuum to see if there was evidence of an awareness of this explosion. The experiment was actually carried out in 1906 by our time reckoning. This is what we call the Tunguska blast that occurred in Siberia. After the blast in the parallel continuum, those who had conducted the test were able to monitor the dreams of Siberian shamans, and they saw hundreds of square miles of trees smashed flat by a mighty explosion. Hence they realized that their theoretical assumption that explosions in one continuum would affect life in the other were in fact true, and they became quite alarmed, because as they continued to monitor the dreams of human  beings in the parallel continuum they came to slowly understand that, primitive though we may be, in our world we were coming to a grasp of atomic chemistry and thermonuclear fission and fusion.

Fearing for the destruction of their own world they began, and have in fact carried out through this century, a massive scientific research project to attempt to reach us to  communicate to us the true situation and to depotentiate our nuclear arsenals in order to save their own world, which is now in fact the administrative center of some 16  integrated star systems in this part of the galaxy. In other words, they are some 1,200 years in advance of us technologically and in the use of psychedelic substances, because they never experienced the history freezing eschatology that the rise of Christianity created in our world.

Psychedelic compounds amplify the very slight leakage of information from this other dimension. In the same way that they found us, we can find them by taking psychedelic mushrooms and opening ourselves to the information pouring through from the  alternative timestream. The other side is actually the manifestation of this bizarre Greco-Roman-Mayan, postmodern, starfaring civilization trying to reach across the dimensions to save us from the momentum of our history by making us aware, first of all of their existence, and also of their technology.

It’s not unlike the situation with East Germany and East Berlin. All we’re saying is that this advanced civilization is about to pull down the wall and invite us to leave the benighted world bequeathed to us by rampant monotheism and participate in the higher life of the great stellar civilization created by the Greco-Roman-Mayanists, who avoided the rather tawdry ideological path of development that we were victim of; and UFOs are aspects of this technological effort to reach us. In other words, they are experimental vehicles attempting to penetrate the time barrier to reach us with this news. I believe that in 2012 this technology will be perfected and they will no longer need to send unmanned probes or experimental devices: rather they will actually be able to open a domain, perhaps as much as several thousand kilometers in diameter, which will be coexistent both in our timestream and in their timestream.

If any of you have read the late works of Philip K. Dick, he was probing in these areas. He was a genius; his book Valis is pure exegesis of the internal unravelment of what was going on. His take on it was that he believed that from A.D. 69 until 1948 no time  had actually passed; that we were living in apostolic time and that the crucifixion lay only 75 years in the past, and that the demiurge had inserted a false history. The Nag Hammadi manuscripts, he believed, were actually the Logos as printed letters, and when the Nag Hammadi manuscripts were deciphered it was like this information creature would come alive and again be present on the earth, like the Logos in 1948 was beginning to infuse everything and that shortly it would dissolve the illusion of the intervening 1,860 years and then we would realize that the prophecy would be fulfilled and that the last days were upon us.

He didn’t get around to the Antichrist, to his credit probably. You have to distinguish between Christ the person, the teacher, and this thing called the Christos, which is the archetype of such power and force that immediately people of ill-intent could get lined up behind it and impose their will. The Christos is the thing history is ruled by, the archetypes which the people can generate. Most people are very ordinary, I mean, your Mick Jaggers and your Henry Kissingers are very ordinary people, but they are able to project an archetype and that is the thing which sets them apart. When that reaches the kind of super intense focus that you get in a Mohammed or a Christ, then you know that history is just putty in the hands of the force, not the person. The person is usually martyred in some horrible way, but the archetype draws energy to itself, and we don’t understand how this process works.

If there ever is developed by benevolent or malevolent forces a science of social control, it will be a science of knowing how to project archetypes. Different archetypes, apparently, are suitable to different times; you can almost pause at an astrological theory of archetypes, but what’s appropriate for the 1st century A.D. is not appropriate for the 15th. When the archetype is appropriate, nothing can stop it. The modern term for archetype is paradigm. We expect it not to be a person, not a messiah, but an idea which will save us all, which then gives us certain affinities with mystical Judaism, where the messiah was expected in the form of an idea. This is sort of our faith; we are messianic ideologues, or something like that.

 

Recordings of: The Rites Of Spring. April 1986, Ojai, CA, USA. 27076

“The largest collection of talks by Terence McKenna — visionary ethnobotanist and advocate for the mindful use of natural psychedelics.”

 

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