UAP “Hearing” 20250501 – Understanding UAP Transcripts

Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation (House Oversight and Accountability)

 

 

UAPDF ReReleased Audio YouTube Transcript

 

 

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“Enhanced” Audio YouTube Transcript Part One

 

i appreciate actually read your book directly so appreciate you for being here as well and all your hard work um

as you know up in Silverly the last congress I think it was representative Bett that was actually weeding out the

uh investigation solely on his own so credit towards bizar Mr burchett’s been

really I think out this fight we do have an opportunity right now where we are seeing not just a complete and a

complete push for transparency out of the current administration on this topic but also to we have bicameal and

bicartson support on this so uh thank you very much Lou for your help and then also to the experts and people being

here today to testify to really to tell us and help meet us out with us again this is a community

effort this is not just you know Democrat Republican even just an American thing right there’s a massive push for this for good reason we know

recently in working with the National Archives they were able to actually update on the archives website all

things UAP there will continue to be documents scanned and updated and beyond that tap you citizen journalists can

actually go forward do the research yourself help us ask the tough questions and then I can also tell you that we

have posted dates for the next UAP hearing we are going to be doing two one is going to be government focused we are

asking u various appointees i don’t want to release the names yet but we add they get a good response on that we will make

those yays known soon as well as uh military and or former military that

will be coming forward also to note that we were told uh by one of uh Mr berles’s

staffers that’s helping us to lead out this investigation about someone that wants to come in regards to a crash achievement program and so that’s pretty

interesting to hear someone going on record about that obviously we’ve had a lot of people try to dispel the research

that the UAP community has done and so we’re just simply cutting out the fast letting the media recusal really the

world decide to sauce uh but I’d also like to pass a music so Representative

Brettson thank you Anna uh I first want to just say thank you again to Tim uh for

leading the charge on this when it wasn’t when it wasn’t popular it was uh

difficult and took a lot of courage and and we all recognize that i just wanted to acknowledge that and I want to say

thank you to Anna for her leadership and I’ll tell you she is amazing to work with she is very humble in her attitude

and her approach she doesn’t uh she likes to you know to to let people other

people join in the credit and she is a very gracious uh and good leer in this

task force i want to say thank you to everyone that has come board you know

from Lou to Mr melly to Mr grush and

others that have taken bas Mr gray suits here uh who’ve done taken a bold step

and and you know at the risk of their reputation and their career there’s a

lot of people that sacrificed their career in order to get get information out to the American people and we are

grateful for as well for the cooperation that we’re getting with Tulsi Gabbard um

and whose director’s initiatives group is actively harmonizing classification guides to facilitate responsible

releases she been she’d been very effective with the JFK assassination records and others and then uh the other

last thing I want to say is that this is not of a one-time thing this will not be it’s clear that this is not a one-time

data dub this is this is a systemic change to the process in the way that we

are transparent with the American people and that working on legislation that

will that will put that in practice and again thank you for everyone for being here i’m looking forward to today’s

hearing thank y’all for being here i’ll be very

brief lou thank you for the introduction thank my colleagues up here to recount words i’m not sure what that’s all

about think I’m buying pieces after this thing you’re crazy i got a dart that

rides horses how how are we getting home

today but it is a pleasure being here and I want to thank the people that are that are sitting right there some dear

friends of mine people under media and the elders they’re always kind to me we

don’t agree on a backd thing but we do agree that this is the biggest comfort

for our lock and we need to dip to the bottom of it and I would fel folks to

know out there that we believe for so many years people that

believe like we do and they live in sh and when you bring it up you get

criticized and people uh say all kinds of awful things about you damn I’m over

that we know this thing’s covered up and it we’re going to blow the damn lit off

of it so thank y’all for being here let’s get

on what I’d like to do is uh because uh time is precious especially for the members obviously they have a real job

to do uh this is part of it but they have a whole lot of other responsibilities so with that said I’d like to first begin by thanking

specifically representative Luna from the 13th district if I’m not mistaken for it uh from her leadership uh on this

particular in this particular forum and on this topic this would not be possible if it was not for representative Luna in

her pursuit of the truth she has a uh she has served her country uh quite

honorably and her husband as well if any of you been in the military they brought across him so on behalf of a very

grateful nation ma’am thank you for what you continue to do your continued service to this nation and that of your family it is greatly appreciated in your

service specifically as well with regard to the moment so thank you um the second I’d like to thank um Representative

Pearlson um somewhat newer to this topic than some of the other folks maybe on the Senate side and even the House side

who has also championed truth and transparency within the American government i would refer to him as a

healthy skeptic uh which I think was important always keep you an open mind about the day to speak for herself and

in my interactions with represent Brosman I have seen him to be every time and exclusively honorable and truthful

and he is now uh I think it’s translate into the form you see here with media

present we’re going to have a very interesting conversation today and again this is only possible because of the

three individuals up here so uh if you have time later on I be I would suggest

you you give head mayor a good deal of thanks for what he is doing for our mush and last but certainly not least is

representative Tim from Tennessee who has been spearheading this topic for

quite some time at great personal risk to his political career as most of you know um that’s one thing that

politicians tend to avoid is risk uh especially when it comes to election

time and uh Representative Brashette I would uh I would probably define him as

um bringing a working man’s perspectives and common sense perspective to the bureaucracy we call Washington DC

certainly a breath of fresh air and um a champion for again truth and

transparency for for our government and for our institutions so with that said I’d like to offer a quick round of

applause for that

secondly I’d like to thank the studio panelists that are with us here today can you all hear you okay in the back

okay I can adjust your m I can use my drill sergeant voice if I need to um we’re going to have uh three separate

sections with panelists uh with Stringer Steve Falbr i am not sure there’s ever been

assembled a panel like this in front of the American people and I I don’t say

that lightly because I’ve been part of a lot of leads a lot a lot of sensitive beings both in the intelligence community and within a national security

apparatus uh we have elements and from academia elements from the scientific

community elements from the national security elements from the intelligence

community um all speaking here today to you about what they know regarding the

UAP topic um the assembly here is is

dare I say possibly even historic i’m truly honored to be with you here today i will be your moderator real quick

reminder for our palace um I’d like to when you ask a question try to keep it within try to keep it within three

minutes eric um if you go beyond that I might have to

kind of get the conversation um directed to some other questions because we do have a lot of panelists and uh I also

have a tendency to to talk a lot so I’m going to try to keep myself in check as well um but panelist try to keep your

responses to three minutes some panelists have for you a presentation so for those who go to presentation we’ll

do the presentation first and then we’ll be followed up with questions and of course esteemed members of Congress if

you have any question at the time please feel free to ask them and we will uh we will certainly have our panelists

address those questions for you uh one more reminder um again the security

reminder I know I said it before but for anybody who’s come in here uh after uh I’m going to be asking questions some of

those will be very pointed questions for those of you who have a security clearance or who have held a security

clearance I ask that you please be mindful that this is an unclassified venue and not to discuss classified

information um for the record none of us look good in an orange jumpsuit certainly I don’t so you want to be

mindful of that and I’d also like to thank the media uh thank each and every one of you for being here i know this is

a topic that for quite some time was fraught with stigma and taboo and this would have been considered career suicide for any respectable journalist

to cover this topic just like it is for for politicians uh and are elective

leaders of this nation and uh times are changing times are changing because of you so I want to I want to do a hearty

thank you to the members of media that are covering this and last but not least and probably perhaps most important I

would like to thank each and every one of you in the audience each and every one of you that’s tuning in each and every one of you that’s watching this

each and every one of you that might be sitting on your sofa at home or around a dinner table that are interested in this

topic and have asked questions um this is because of you our elected officials

put this on because of you not me and not even our esteemed desks because of

you and that should tell you something that means democracy is working folks that means transparency is working that

means we the people agree and that’s a lot that’s that’s profound this is

democracy in action and you’re watching it so I want to thank each and every one of you and I also want to thank you

quick the staff here in on Hill that put this help put this together and coordinate this i know it’s a bit of a

zoo uh but thank you so much for for being patient with us and helping us with the audio visual and the media and

the seating and it is very much appreciated so with that um let’s go

ahead and begin shall we so I would like to introduce uh the

first of our panelists here is Dr abby Loba now bear with me because he has his

academic vite it’s probably about 10 pages long so I’m going to just try to truncate a little bit so Dr abu Loba is

a PhD uh professor of science at Harvard University he is also the head of the

Galileo project he is also the founding director of Harvard Black Hole

Initiative he’s a contributor to Arrow uh he is also a trained

astrophysicist let’s see if we can get this right director of the flight

institute for theory dire institute for theory and

computation um and a former member of the president’s council on science and

technology so think about that for a minute right if I wasing a president

um former chair of the board of physics and uh astronomy of the

nationalmies and uh also author of eight books and over 1,000 scientific papers and he is geared

before you today by the way none of our panelists are deemed paid everybody’s doing this um out of their own kindness

of their own heart the second panelist uh we have here is rear Tim Gudet for

those of you who served in in the Navy know how hard it is to achieve the rank of Admal that is no easy feat uh he’s

also former acting administrator of the National Ocean Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration aka Noah former

oceanographer for the Navy a advisory board member of the UAPDF folks here that are helping make

this happen um but I’ll tell you something else about about Tim tim also

happened to be one of uh the Navy officers that was present

and privy during the Roosevelt incidences uh the Roosevelt is why I say

pearl because there are many of these UAP incidents that the USS Roosevelt encountered in the 2013 2014 time frame

when she was conducting military operations in the uh support the global

war to her and so Admiral Gaudette I would I would consider uh indirectly a

witness to some degree of some of the dysfunction that the bureaucracy had

overlaid on some of our servicemen at the end of it in uniform reporting

UAP and certainly last but not least is Dr eric Davis uh not only colleague but

a friend and in some cases even a mentor uh he is a theoretical and applied

physicist senior science adviser at Earth 10 former researcher at the aerospace

corporation and now those are just some of those let me tell you who he really is dr eric Davis was one of our senior

scientists during my tenure at the advanced aerospace and threat identification program and OAF as well

uh he was one of our chief chief scientists and by the way he was also part of other legacy efforts before that

working with elements of the US government and I think what you’re going to find him have to say today is going

to be very compelling um he’s an honorable man he has served his country

time and time again in some cases uh at great personal expense professional and personally to himself

uh and probably one of the smartest individuals I’ve ever had the honor privilege to and my life to work with

um if you got a chance I’d shake his hand because I would consider him like the rest of these gentlemen national

treasure and I think like I said what what he’s going to tell you today is going to be very interesting so this is

why I do the reminder three minutes because even myself I would love to just let him roll for about three

hours um so with that said I think we have a presentation we’re going to present first by Dr abby Lopes so if we

could just give him a quick round of

applause thank you so much it’s a great pleasure to be here let us be honest there are objects

in the sky that we don’t understand that’s not the first time

that we don’t understand something you know our knowledge scientific knowledge is an island in an ocean of ignorance

we don’t know what n what 85% of matter in the universe is we call it dark

matter but we invest billions of dollars figuring it out over the past

half century we haven’t yet figured it out my point is simple we should invest

a billion dollars in figuring out what is in our sky and that means developing artificial

intelligence algorithms software that would help us analyze data

from state-of-the-art sensors

and in one case if all of these objects are produced by

humans the defense department will have a new tool to monitor what’s out there

in the sky it’s important for national security however if one out of a million

objects came from outside the solar system the person who finds that object

will get the Nobel Prize it’s a winwin situation we need to invest a billion

dollars in this task and I will mention a few details of

what we can do with it this is a subject that the public cares

a lot about and so it’s one of the unusual opportunities to invest a

billion dollars in science and technology that will make all taxpayers

happy if you were to ask them do they care more about what dark matter is or

whether we have a neighbor that is intelligent from which we can learn they would tell you it’s the

second question that they want the billion dollars to be spent on so to make taxpayers happy let’s invest the

money and if we don’t find any technological relics from other

civilizations this would be a very precious defense system for our country

so I will show a few um slides describing what we have been doing over the past few years in the project that

I’m leading at Harvard University the Galo project what you see in the first

slide is a title of an article appeared in New York Times

magazine and I was not happy with the content i contacted the editor and said

“If this is the way you described science how can I believe anything you

say about politics that’s a good thing

we can leave now you already care.” Now Enrico Fermy 1950 had lunch at Los

Alamos and in his Italian accent he asked “Where is everybody?” And that’s a

question that every lonely person asks and what you tell a lonely person is

don’t be presumptuous your partner will not come to you you are not that attractive you have to go to dating

sites and and Rico Fermy didn’t even build a telescope to look out didn’t

have cameras to check and so saying where is everybody is arrogant

and many of my colleagues in academia argue extraordinary claims require

extraordinary evidence if you read the news you would

conclude that we are not extraordinary there is room for improvement and imagining something like

us on a planet that has similar conditions to Earth is not an extraordinary claim it’s just an

ordinary claim to say under similar circumstances you will get life and eventually intelligent life and most

stars in the Milky Way galaxy 100 billion of them formed billions of years

before the sun so we are late for the party they may have been before us so

it’s an ordinary claim that requires ordinary evidence

when people make this statement they also imply that we should not invest any funds in searching for

them and without seeking evidence how can we find them it’s a self-fulfilling

prophecy so my point is that in within the scientific community innovation is

suppressed by people who assume the answer in advance i when I was a kid I

was most frustrated by the adults in the room because I would ask them a question and they would pretend to know the

answer and the one reason I became a scientist is because I don’t care what

other people say i don’t care how many likes I get i just want to figure out the answer based on evidence that’s the

way detective works we shouldn’t assume anything but if we don’t collect

data we will never find anything

new now another important point is new scientific knowledge doesn’t fall into

our lab to find the gigs boson the CERN invested 10 billion dollars in

the large manga to find the first generation of stars and galaxies in the universe the

scientific version of the story the biblical story of Genesis we had to invest $10 billion to

use a web i was born not to be in the third and by the

design the next generation we go my point is in order something you do

need resources time and effort it takes a lot of work you cannot just sit on

your chair and figure out the answer the way most people

do and just just to give you an example you know we are familiar with objects

that have a positive mass we are also aware that the universe

is not just expanding but its expansion is accelerating so we see evidence for

it because if we have

access just like if you

put a mass to the

object and you won’t need any fuel move around so that they look at Starship our

best rocket Whoever has an access to a negative mass would would laugh at it we

are putting most of the mass in the fuel of the rocket it’s a huge gigantic thing

and if they had access to a negative mass that would not be necessary you would just use the payload plus a heavy

mass that balances it just to give an example of something beyond our knowledge if negative masses exist or

not we don’t know if you can bottle this dark energy that fills up the universe

thank you now the Galilo project at Harvard

University was established a few years ago and that it followed the first

report from the office of the director of national intelligence to Congress and uh I suggested also to NASA

just around that time that they should look into that uh this is a subject

where the intelligence agency cannot really make a lot of progress on because

the data is limited so why not build observatories monitoring the sky the sky is not classified astronomers have been

looking at the sky for a while the oceans are not classified we just need sensors and then analyzing the data with

the state-ofthe-art AI software that’s all we need so this was not happening and

you know I’m sort of I’m not happy with looking at past reports because when you

look at past reports you have very limited data and you can’t make a lot of progress if the data is fuzzy you can’t

really get it to be crispier but if you have a working observatory that monitors the sky all the time or the oceans and

you see something unusual you could try and collect better data and

therefore I always say the best is yet to come if we were curious enough and

that’s what we should be we can collect data forget about the hundreds of reports from the past and have a

collection of millions of objects that we look at that’s what the Galileo project is about

and in the future we can get very good data with equipment that was never tried

before because astronomers usually focus on a small part of the sky and look at things that are far away they ignore

objects flying overhead and the Gerilo project has developed an observatory at

Harvard University first that monitors the sky in the infrared optical radio and audio and as

of now we are actually doing triangulation we have multiple units that look at the same object from

different directions so that we can figure out the distance the velocity the acceleration of the object that’s

extremely important and we are building additional observatories

uh one in Pennsylvania another one in Nevada hopefully by the end of the

summer we’ll have three observatories collecting data on a few million objects

every year and I say even even if one in a million is of extraterrestrial origin

that would be the biggest discovery that humanity ever made it would mean that we have a partner we shouldn’t assume

anything about the neighbor but it would be useful to

figure out what they are capable of because we can do better

they’re probably more advanced than we are if they reached our backyard before we reached their

backyard so we collected data on many uh

by now millions of of objects we analyzed it and obviously we are happy to share

the data with whoever is interested but also over the past decade

the first objects from outside the solar system were discovered for the first time by

astronomers there were three of them the first was identified by US

government satellites that are monitoring the earth for any ballistic missiles being launched by adversarial

nations and in 2014 they noticed an object that

collided with Earth and exploded with a fireball that released 1% of the

Hiroshima atomic bomb energy and they decided it’s not

humanmade and therefore it can be shared with astronomy community so NASA

published a catalog of all these meteors over the past decade and uh one of them

was this one we looked at the catalog and uncovered it and realized that it came from outside the solar system

because it was moving very fast it was moving faster than 95% of the stars in

the vicinity of the sun outside the solar system and so the question is was

it a Voyager like probe because it’s moving so

fast or maybe just a rock from another star that was the first one and then the

second one in 2017 was a much bigger object the first one was half a meter in

size the second one was the size of a football field it didn’t collide with Earth it would have been catastrophic if

it did because it would have killed us all but it passed near Earth within a

sixth of the Earth sun separation it was observed by a telescope in Hawaii

monitoring near Earth objects because we are all afraid of what happened to the

dinosaurs right we don’t want to have the same fate and um they realized this

object is moving too fast to be bound by gravity to the sun and they called it omua mua which means

a scout in the Hawaiian language now this object at first was

thought to be a comet but there was no cometary tail around it no gas or

dust and then it exhibited an excess push away from the

sun without any rocket effect of acting on it and

moreover it was it had a very extreme shape most likely flat like a disc based

on the reflection of sunlight the amount of sunlight reflected from it changed by a factor of 10 every 8 hours as it was

stumbling very unusual object so it wasn’t clear it’s not an

asteroid it’s not a comet what is it and I suggested well maybe it’s a space

trash an an empty trash bag from another civilization

so that was 2017 and then

oops and then there was oops I’m not sure okay then there was a

comet which looked just like the comets that we are familiar with in 2019 also

came from outside the solar system based on its speed and my colleagues said well

this one looks familiar so doesn’t it convince you that the others are also natural and And I said well if you go

down the street and you see a weird person and after that you see a normal person it doesn’t make the weird person

normal so um Mua Mua was really strange most

likely flat and then it’s not clear what it was

i suggested maybe it’s a very thin object pushed by sunlight reflecting

sunlight and in fact a lot of technological debris that we produced is being pushed by reflecting

sunlight in

fact I’m not sure why okay in fact the the space trash that we produce on

January 2nd 2025 just this year an amateur astronomer noticed an object

passing near Earth and it was cataloged as a near Earth

asteroid 17 hours later it was realized oh this object moves exactly the same

way as the Tesla Roadster car that was moed by SpaceX in 2018 elon Musk

It is the It is a car it’s not It’s not an asteroid they removed it from the

catalog and I actually have a bet with Elon

i am willing to put 1% of my net worth against 1% of his

network to search to check if there is any other space

entrepreneur who is more accomplished than he is since the beat back 13.8

billion years ago let’s figure it out it’s not a lot of money for him

and then uh actually in 2020 there was the same telescope in Hawaii deep that discovered the wua discovered another

object that was pushed by reflecting sunlight and then after a few weeks the astronomers realized oh that’s a rocket

booster from a 1966 launch by NASA so we know that some of the objects

that are unusual being pushed by sunlight are humanmade the question is

who produced omua

mua and my point is that the next copernican revolution remember copernicus realized

we are not the physical center of the universe i actually visited Poland

uh a year ago uh a day after visiting the Munich Security Conference where I spoke as the first

astrophysicist that ever by the way I saw on the roof of the hotel at the

Munich Security Conference there were snipers with the black head covers they were there to protect the politicians i

realized being an astrophysicist is really very fortunate but nobody wants to kill

me but then at any event it’s

overrated um the next copernican revolution is that we are not at the

technological center of the universe we have something to learn from a smarter

kid on our cosmic block and I wrote a paper a couple of months

ago where uh I explained that with a space telescope we can actually go

through the million objects roughly meter in size within the orbit

of the earth around the sun that came from outside the solar system and figure out whether among them among all the

rocks there is space trash from other civilizations because over the past

billions of years they predated us and they pollute do that in test space because we sent out five probes voyager

1 Voyager 2 Pioneer 10 Pioneer 11 and New Horizons they’re heading out of the

solar system towards interstellar space we did it over 50 years just think how many more we would produce in the next

billion years uh and all of that keeps accumulating like plastics in the ocean

all of this trash produced by other civilizations and we just have to look in our backyard

and figure it out again a billion dollars will go a long way in this

direction but right now this subject is outside the mainstream of astronomy

instead the the highest priority defined by the Decalo survey is to to to spend

more than $10 billion in the search for microbes for the molecular fingerprints

of microbes in the atmospheres of exoplanets and frankly I’m much more

excited about finding intelligence than finding microbes for a

simple reason that we can learn from a higher level of intelligence one reason I seek intelligence in interstellar

space is because I don’t often find it here on

Earth and you may ask where is where will Voyager be in a billion

years it would be on the opposite side of the Milky Way galaxy so if most stars

formed billions of years before the sun we know that for a fact they had I mean there were

civilizations like us out there they had plenty of time for their spacecraft to

reach us and we haven’t really checked until the last decade we didn’t really know about interstellar objects so I’m

saying this is new now the meteor the object that collided with Earth was interesting because for a cost of $1.5

million that I received uh from a donor we were able to go to the Pacific Ocean

and search for materials left over from this interstellar object it exploded only 20 km above the surface of the

ocean and uh that implied that it had material strength tougher than all other

hundreds of meteors in the NASA catalog so it was unusual in its material

strength in its speed and the question was could it be a Voyager

Lab Meteor could it be a Tesla car like Meteor because that car actually will

collide with Earth probably in several tens of millions spheres and my colleagues if there are if there are any

astronomers at that time they might argue it’s a rock of a type that we’ve never seen

before so actually the US space command looked back at the

data after I reached them through the white house and uh they confirmed yes

this meteor actually came from outside the solar system the data was reliable

and they also released uh the light curve of the explosion that indicated how much energy was released

and at what altitude was the explosion and so I decided to lead an

expedition to the Pacific Ocean we went there uh slightly less than two years

ago and what you see here is the deck of the ship that was fittingly called

Silver Star uh we built a sled with magnets on both sides and we placed it

from the ocean floor which was a mile deep and we surveyed a region that is

seven miles in size looking for any morton droplets left over from the

explosion just to figure out was it a natural rock or

maybe a gadget and I taught my students before I

left if we find a gadget and it has buttons on it should I press a

button the opinions were split half of the class said please don’t do that he

put all of all of us at risk and the other half said “Please do we would like

to see if it’s judged BT 100.”

Um so we brought back materials um and it was a two-eek

expedition i put the this all the materials in this black suitcase and shipped them shipped it by FedEx to to

my home and then brought it to the laboratory of my colleague at Harvard Stein Jacobson

uh who has is a worldrenown geocchemist that has the best instruments in the

world and on on the other side of me in this photo is a summer intern Sophie

Berrum who worked with me that summer and she discovered

850 morton droplets within the materials that we brought back and I uh gave her

the honorary title the swirl hunter and you could see here what these

molten droplets looked like they were very distinct relative to the background sand and we picked them up with

tweezers and published the results and so there was one type of those molten

droplets about 10% of the entire reservoir that uh looked very unusual

they had a composition a chemical composition that was very different than solar system materials up to a thousand

times higher abundance of burillium lanthanum uranium than you find in storage system

materials and so that’s a possible indication that we found some material

from the original object but we want to go back and search for bigger pieces with a

robot that we will put on the ocean floor it will cost $6.5 million we don’t have a fund the rest of if anyone is

interested in joining us let me know this is an image from the last day of the previous expedition where I was

standing on the ship looking at the sunset and next to me is an 88 years old

art w artite who was a a commander of a

destroyer during the Vietnam War and I really liked him because he wouldn’t

speak much you would solve problems and everything said was true

and there aren’t many people like that these days what you find most often are people that are virtual

signaling that are trying to impress you that’s partly the culture of social

media but this mission was a success thanks to

art and he reminded me of my father i really liked him now this year this in August 2025

there is a new observatory in Chile that was funded by the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation it’s

called the Vera Sea Ruby Observatory and it will survey the

southern sky every four nights and could find more like objects every few months

if they are out there and now we know to look at them in much greater detail we

can use the web telescope to do that and this telescope will use a camera that

is 3.2 2 gap pixels in resolution so a thousand times more than the number of

resolution elements you have in your cell phone so I’m very excited about the coming year or two uh we will have new

results from the observatories that the Galo project is building we will have potentially a new expedition where we

can look for bigger pieces of this first interstellar meteor and the Rubin Observatory might find more or more like

objects but if we really want to make fast progress we need more

funds if I had a $100 million or a billion dollars I know exactly what needs to be done and we can make we can

get much better understanding of our cosmic neighborhood as I said before uh this

the software that we develop would be of great use to the Department of

Defense thank you

thank you uh please follow me by uh Admiral Gang debt uh you’d like to say a

couple words and we’re going to try to make this uh brief so we can go ahead and uh start getting to some of the

questions siri thank you very much it’s just great to be here and representatives Luna and

Burles and Bett appreciate you giving us all an opportunity to to share what we

want to share and say what we want to say about this important topic of UAP so I’ll be about five minutes here maybe

less but today I call on the American scientific enterprise to mainstream UAP research and development and to do that

properly I should first begin by assessing the current state of UAP research there are a few brave

individuals and organizations conducting such research including professor Abby Lo through the Gallo project at Harvard

professor Diane Pilgra at UNCW Drs Gary Nolan and Peter Scayfish a

soul foundation with Stanford University doc Professor Jeffrey Cryopol with the

archives of the impossible at Rise University and the scientific coalition of UAP studies but these are by far the

exception where UAP research and scientific study is shunned by the American science community at large even

with dozens of credible former military witnesses coming forward as well as legislative action from Congress in

recent years this stigma remains too great to jeopardize the reputation promotion potential and tenure of those

in academia to better understand this resistance it might be useful for me to describe the

state of climate science in this country where the complete opposite is occurring as a former administrator of the

National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration with a PhD in oceanography I’ve studied the changes occurring in our Earth system and while

they are indeed significant I’m by no means a climate denier climate change is

far from the existential threat that the mainstream media and some in the science community claim it to be a false

narrative has been propagated that global warming caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases is the cause of every

severe weather event on any given day this is mainly a result of the large number of scientific studies that employ

extreme and implausible emission scenarios lacking the expertise to critically evaluate such studies the

average citizen is rarely accepted such misinformation conflating every extreme weather event and climate change is

imprecise incomplete and incorrect the most glaring examples come around every hurricane season for which satellite

data over the 50 years shows there’s been no trend upward or downward of these storms the same goes for wildfire

where news coverage always links climate change to their occurrence but wildfires have actually been decreasing in this

country so even the intergovernmental panel on climate change has been unable to conclusively detect changes in

extreme weather and climate event frequency and intensity however saying that we are not in fact in a climate

crisis is heresy the mainstream media and the global science community this is a situation with UAP

but in reverse ample evidence even congressional testimony attests to the scientific valinity of UAP but the

response by members of the scientific community has been either A to bury their heads in the sand or b to make

baseless mockery of the courageous contrarians like Professor Low who seek the truth why is this so well the reason

is partially uh due to overclassification and a deliberate

decadesl long disinformation campaign by the US Department of Defense and intelligence community unlike climate

change UAP and the non-human intelligence which control them very well could be an existential threat as

our moderator who Alzando eloquently described in his book aptly named imminent the scientific community needs

to wake up to the reality of UAP which represents the most mile development since the confirmed

revolution consider the extraordinary report I received this weekend what a

former US Navy S860 Seahawk helicopter crew chief who was embarked on the

carrier USS Dwight D eisenhower in 2021 described to me is recording on or

overlooking infrared video of a metallic sphere at an altitude a few hundred feet

above the ship traveling along a linear trajectory horizontal to sea surface

before it accelerated into the horizon at an incre disappearing completely upon

landing uh he discussed this with some of the pilots and the other air crew before transferring the flur footage to

the carrier’s intelligence officer moreover this was not an isolated event for the Eisenhower strike group during

that deployment saw many many instances of UAP primarily F-18s frequently

encountering them at high altitude and uh and this topic was

widely discussed by the airwing during the entire uh deployment and later fellow air crew members of this this

crew sheet uh from another squadron deployed on board the USS Gerald R ford and shared similar

experiences the cruise sheet also informed me that the secret laptops in their ready room provided access to a

share drive where numerous UAP sightings on fleer were archived they stored these

videos on a folder named range fowers you’d like that Ryan and uh and this

commanding officer and safety officer were aware of these incidents but there was an unspoken understanding not to

discuss that I’m openly in the ready room i have spoken to other sailors still in active duty and their sightings

of UAP have become so numerous that they are desensitized to the phenomenon my point being that the Navy possesses a

trove of video evidence and data regarding UAP and I see no reason why flur footage of UAP and Navy training

ranges could not be declassified and shared with the scientific community with open access to more data like this

we could transform every institution of higher education by establishing a Galileo project within their astronomy

and astrophysics departments a sole foundation with their within their biio medicine and humanities programs and our

archive with the impossible in their religious studies of philosophy curricula to close I point out that last

month at the endless frontiers conference in Austin the president’s science advisor Michael Gracios committed the Trump administration to

creating a golden age in American innovation i am convinced that UAP

research can not only support this but accelerate it in ways beyond our imagination the time to destroy the

stigma associated with UAP is now i ask the House Oversight Committee and other

members of Congress to demand that DoD DOE DHS and NASA release more UAP data

for open science and I call on the White House to include UAP research in this 2025 reg priorities memo thank you all

hey dear so we didn’t get to our first

question here and uh it is not scripted and it is to uh my former colleague Dr

eric Davis um and be very careful how I ask this

specific question well Mr do good to see you as always sorry what no no it’s

okay you um Dr davis I I know your background and I

know your work uh in our former program the advanced aerospace bread identification program i also know to

some degree some of the history and firsthand experience you have on UAP

i believe that this committee uh and the esteemed members of Congress and the

American public would love to hear to the degree you’re able to discuss it the

direct access you had uh for those who don’t know Dr davis was and I’ll let him

answer this was and it was submitted into into the matter of record for Congress a couple years ago the Wilson

Davis memo it was alleged that he was the author and if you don’t know what that

is I encourage you to look it up it has been entered as a matter of public record in the congressional record and

it is extremely significant um this is the mayor i won’t

say he did or he didn’t although tell um who offered that potential and

furthermore I know has had involvement in the UAT program specifically from a

crash retrieval perspective i only mindful here uh Dr davis please be careful of security classification but

do you mind sharing to the degree you’re comfortable with your involvement with information relating crash

retrievalss and u and yours

yes thank you i’ve been uh I’m an astrophysicist and also a what we what

Mark Jones at NASA and I call we break to a propulsion physicist worked at radio propulsion from 1996 to 2002 and

then we continue after that to develop a book that we published through the AIAA press in 2009 uh for tiers of propulsion

science so my background is in uh advanced B space and interstellar space flight mostly bastion light propulsion

or the use of general typically cog theory as well as advanced nuclear propulsion nuclear fision and nuclear

fusion and uh beam der propulsion which I worked on as a principal investigator for the air force research lab in Dun’s

air force base so I’ve got quite a brown background and I began my work in UFOs

uh or UAP started in 1996 which Robert Bigalow hired me to work for him as his director dur physics and astrophysics at

the National Institute of Discovery Science and that was a um that was a pretty transformative shock for you

because as a physical scientist I’m seeing for the first time by phenomena I’m investigating it using forensic uh

science techniques in the field interviewing what is collecting care and I have a team of uh uh colleagues on the

staff that I work with also ks and uh we had a worldclass science advisory board which uh my former boss in Austin Hala

uh was on the was was on the board was on that science advisory board who was the last chair of that board actually we

also had Paul 14 astronaut Ed Mitchell and for a short time Apollo uh 17

astronaut Jack Schnet and uh we had many uh many academicians and corner CIA

national intelligence officers uh social psychologists psychologists medical doctors um and nuclear engineers and the

list goes on we had chalk bullying primarily as well so uh it was a really transformative because I grew up in the

60s and 70s and I became familiar with Carl Sean carl Sean and uh astronomer

report page co-authored a book called uh you the scientific debate which was published by the tripleas press um the

triple is the American uh association for the advancement of science and science is their prestigious true that

they publish and uh so that was a prestigious publication that okay every chapter was authored by experts in the

field in academia who have studied UFOs and some angle of it from scientific

data standpoint data that was collected data that was analyzed and so they presented it and followed the book uh

for a bizarre reason in the 1980s Carl Sean held this wonderful astronomy show

called Cosmos and be the companion cook for that and what’s ironic is

that he changed 180 degrees he all of a sudden with fro UFOs we have in this

book that I co-author or co-edited with Lord Le page uh all this wonderful data

that’s been collected that is not explainable due to conventional astronomical weather or man-made

explanations or events or objects Uh I’m I’m now calling it um pseudocience it’s spring sites people

were mistaken pilots uh have poor vision uh military pilots especially and I

heard that from Le David who’s a uh a aerospace engineer aviation space

exploration writer and uh people like Ken have said that our military pilots

especially the ones at the USS Gimmits during its encounters of the tic tac UAP back in November 2004 oh yes those

pilots have core vision they’re flying what 20 million dollar fighter aircraft over here and

they have core vision how did they get through the naval aviation program and top gun school at work uh Dr davis could

you could you elaborate a little bit on your to the degree that you’re comfortable oh I only so so it was a

transformative uh issue for me or or a job it uh transformed my world view it

opened up my world view up to a lot more possibilities and when I was used to thinking as a trained PhD physicist I

earned my doctor in answer physics at the University of Arizona in 99 and so um I worked on three space missions in

graduate school the IOS which is the over astronomical satellite program and the Choy true missions to the outer

planets so as pertaining to the topic that uh Lou wants to talk

about I’m not trying to obliterate that it is a sensitive subject

um so uh it’s due to astronaut Ed Mitchell uh Dr ed Mitchell captain USN

retired because of him and I won’t go into a long story but it’s because of him that I got on the trail of looking

for the so-called uh legend within the UFO community uh the retrangle of

crashed or landed UAP craft or UFO craft as they known back in those days and by

the way UAP the term unidentified aerial phenomenon goes back to the 1940s even

so um so I followed this trail and I ended up over the course of the

following two and a half decades working for Bigalow working for the air rers lab working for Halford off

atte uh and then uh and then working at the

aerospace corporation so we’re we’re working in a combination of industry and

classified programs that we were contracted to do on behalf of the uh or the Defense Intelligence Agency and for

the Pentagon agencies that Lou worked at and the UAP task force that J Stratton

led uh at the Office of Naval Intelligence and so uh a long story

short is that I came into contact with industry leaders technical scientists

uh both active duty and later retires as well as intelligence officers generals aggles colonels uh people who directed

intelligence or human intelligence collection and analysis directorates of the DIA and the Central Intelligence

Agency who uh reached out to me to have me do some foreign UAP uh intelligence

analysis and assessment and so uh I had been exposed to so much in the classified room that I

can tell you definitively that there is there there uh the human race basically

the world biggest governance uh like the United States our adversary China and

Russia at least as far as I know have had the uh occasion to recover craft

that have either landed or crashed or both uh in their territory or even outside of their territories and how

taking those back to they’re more the most sensitive of their programs that they’ve ever have these programs are uh

even more sensitive and more well hidden than uh Manhattan project was or or the

modern nuclear weapons industry and and the US military the department of energy programs to uh maintain and and upgrade

and modernize our weapons arsen and so um this is one of the this is one of the

most well-hidden programs it is hidden for congressional oversight and always has been and it was hidden by the action

of the President Eisenhower who instituted presidential emergency action directives during his administration

these directives are not shared with Congress they are classified they and when the freedom of information act was

instituted in the 70s it is not subject those are not subjected to the freedom of defamation act uh request um this

these directives provide cover for actions that are associated with the

with the retrieval of these vehicles and the uh and the scientific engineering study up there and that takes place

within the street um what happens is the department of defense offices CIA

offices they create shell companies they give a sole source contract to the shell

company would pass the money to a selected group of uh defense industry firms and those firms would take that

contract money and turn it around and uh use that as internal fundings called

internal research and development inputs which they give to their own people inside their company their own employees to do the reverse engineering and uh

analysis and study it of these recovered feelings and so this avoids all

congressional oversight it avoids the gang bait and um it’s one of the most clever techniques used to hide it and as

far as I know only one fourstar general uh and one to three star were able to locate these programs and um and that’s

about as much as I could say they located the programs uh and they uncovered them one got a lot of

resistance and hostile reception and was uh told that uh he found who was looking

where they were who they were suspected being yes they were a UFO UAP rash

criminal in reverse engineered per the other one uh had a lot more political power behind him because of his statue

was a fourstar general and uh he was able to get into the program and use his authority and his access i think they

call that a uh super user the super user have access to all ways all specialized access programs

so he had his capability built under that horde uh I was fortunate to meet Dave Rush at the behest of um Jay

Stratton dave was a NRO liaison officer to the UAQ task force and Dave was

working for his boss at the NRO which was situated in the second force gifts

uh of the aerospace corporation building Colorado sprays and I was assigned work at the aerospace corporation facility in

Huntsville because I was supporting NASA’s space nuclear propulsion program office so uh Jake Dame and and Dave’s uh

boss and I together and I briefed them for two and a half days just a week before COVID struck and uh Dave took all

my classified and uh proprietary information of all the investigations I did at VidS AFRO and working for uh how

could operate and he took that data around with it and what you now know the aftermath of that was his classified

whistleblower group to the IG of the IC and um so there’s there we have had this

program going on in various guys’s various code names code names Jake roughly every three years Um they often

shipped around due to major office and programmatic new organizations for

presidential administration presidential administration maybe every 5 to 10 years in some case and so these things are are

very old they uh they come in the gone that they’re still around and uh the gun lady that’s been involved uh I would say

since the beginning in 1944 with the first recovery utility of a of the US

Army’s recovery of the craft that crashed in Italy back in 1933 the United States Army invaded Italy and pushed the

third ripe out they were able to recover that craft and bring it back to right airfield and all of crash retrievals

that would take place generally on land and gone to right airfield fuel the majority of the crash retrievals or

recoveries of whatever uh situation It was uh Hey place in the rear tire and

I’m not sure where that is going i think they’re probably also wonder where in those days writer field idol play today

though because I’ve only worked on the legacy uh history of this part of it up until about uh the early 2010s and ever

since the end of the OSAP and the ATIP I don’t know where that those operations

are born these days so I think that’s about it will is that it

okay uh if there was a question I would always ask and I’ll just say this very

easy uh Leslie King and Rob Woodenal asked me this for an interview I gave them um in July of 2020 for the New York

Times article that they published they interviewed Lou and uh Senate uh former Senate Jury or Harry Ree i think Harry

was already retired there wasn’t he yeah okay so I said basically my interface

with the leadership at the industry uh which were a number of individuals is the following the crop that have been

recovered are not reserved they’re not made by human behaviors they are not of this planet they are not human they are

an aliote technology whatever the word alien means are they extraterrestrial we don’t know we don’t know uh what motives

do they have well we need anthropologists social psychologists and philosophers to figure that out they

haven’t communicated that ghost yeah so uh physicists like me and Abby we cannot

answer questions like motor we just need to take data we call it measurements and signals intelligence and the intelligence illustrate and Abby I

support 1000% because we need him to do what he needs to do uapx is another

group up in the University of Mini in New as well and there are other groups

out there uh building up their own sensor speeds to try to scan the sky fulltime 247 to look for something

that’s eye and definitely not weather definitely not a crap definitely not a kids blue buttcock

well thank you Dr davis my recommendation would be at some point gear to get to classified setting some

of the rest of us had even already done that before and had a free conversation with some of the representatives who I

think would be um really interested to hear the other part of that conversation which I am aware of and been part of

um with that said uh before we go on I wanted to thank real quick uh Rep nick

Bett for uh is that how do you pronounce your name sorry sir I apologize beg okay for begitch uh Rep nick Begich who we

arrived uh here just not too long ago so thank you sir very much uh for from

Alabama but from Oh

Alaska obviously my dyslexia instead of whoever wrote this

um thank you sir for being here and also great seeing you Mr um as far as uh the

next question what I’d like to do is direct this to Adam heavy debt sir only

about 50% of the se4 has been mapped in high resolution in fact some have

stipulated that we have known even more about the surface of our own moon than the depths of our own

oceans concrete mapping campaigns autonomous gliders deep sea sonars or

cabled observatories would give researchers the best chance of

detecting undersea UAP activity up to this point we’ve been discussing about

the stuff we see in our skies and possibly space but the one thing we’ve neglected are those observations of UAP

that are under armor and this kind of goes to the whole trained medium characteristic that we’re seeing that

some of these UAP can display particularly as a former Navy man and uh

member of Noah what what what advice could you offer there thanks that’s a

great question and uh in fact uh I would advise us to continue what we started in

Trump’s first administration and what we did is we got him to sign presidential memorandum on mapping the USUS economic

zone and that directed the establishment of a strategy a plan national strategy a

plan and a council an area council to contribute to the effort and so in the few we did this in 2020 and in the five

years since we’ve been able to go from having 40% of our EEZ map to 50% and and

it involves not only using ships sonar but also exploring the water column with deep diving remotely operated vehicles

swarms of drones underwater drones he’s done 120 in the Navy and that that fleet’s grown and uh and then Noah has a

pretty sizable fleet of of underwater and circus drones and they partner with the private sector that has a vast

capability as well so I’d say I’d say we really want to ex expand the work that’s

already occurring within the government and the private sector and and target it because most of it is targeted towards

ocean science and that’s great but if we open the aperture a bit and include UAP as a research target I think we’ll learn

a lot more about the phenomena as well as the ocean thank you very much uh the next question

we have is uh is geared towards Dr abilo here and my question

for you sir is what is your recommendation for the new generation of

scientists who want to enter into this field of study but don’t know exactly

where it began yes I actually gave up on the senior members of our community and I I have

great thought that the young generation approach it bias because science is all about

evidence and curiosity and we lose that when we become the adults in the room so for the

young uh people in fact I was asked to establish a gala observatory in a muscel

uh campus that will be built in Indiana and I’m very excited about that because

those high high school students and uh fledgling scientists would be unbiased

they would look at the data and try to figure it out that’s the way science should be done and very often if you

assume something if you say there is nothing out there and you are not looking that obviously that’s a

self-fulfilling prophecy so I very much hope that the young generation will

approach this subject without any stigma without any prejudice without any bias

because it’s of great interest to national security and even if it has nothing to

do with what lies outside the solar system we need to figure it out

maybe other nations have technologies that we are not aware of and if we do find something from

outside the solar system it’s the biggest discovery ever made in science

it will change our perception and our place in the universe i had a group of uh

religious people that came and and they belong to Christianity today an

organization and they asked me what could be the implications to religion and I said well I have two daughters and

when the second one was born I didn’t lose any of my love to the first one so

imagining that God can only attend to one civilization is very limited and I think in fact you know it

would be enriching to realize that we have siblings we might be jealous if they’re more advanced than we are maybe

they get more attention but you know that’s

exciting we may get inspiration from finding something better than us so why

is it that academia the mainstream is shying away from this partly because the

public cares so much about it and you know there are lots of

statements that are not correct that being made by people who have no evidence but that should not be a reason

to avoid this subject we should study it and young people I think have the ability to

figure it out if we had the resources allocated to the research we figure it

out we have that equipment it’s much more exciting than figuring out what dark matter is whether there are

microbes on exoplanets which probably exist in any warm water environment

similar to Earth i’m willing to bet that there are microbes but I don’t care much about

that i really want to fly things that are better than us so that we can get

better we can improve ourself and the young generations hopefully when do it for us if we only allocate the resources

we don’t bluff them because the gatekeepers going to use this technique

of not funding such research ridiculing it and even when I

went on the expedition people said “Oh he will not find anything oh he went to

the wrong place we don’t believe the US government data from the US space command.”

And my suggestion is just to ignore the naysayers because they are boring go

ahead okay

all right thank you Dr little i’ll make this very quick i know one of our representatives is very short on time

there’s a question to ask in her presence uh the question goes to Dr davis or Dis uh we had discussions at

length in certain settings uh in formal official settings and I depart up where we talk about exotic material i think it

might be very helpful to the degree you can can you could you please explain um

what is what makes exotic material that has been recovered from the US government exotic what makes it

different from atomically and kind of it’s actually very simple answer it’s

the way it’s fabricated it’s the way it’s fabricated that’s what makes it exotic it’s not a new element that’s

never been discovered uh and placed on the periodic table of elements no them

uh the materials are in the periodic tables they’re either radioactive isotopes that we already know of or

they’re any of the other non radio non-actide elements on the table it’s just the combination of the materials is

unusual uh it could be that you could say that that’s exotic but it’s the

composition it’s how do you do sculp crowd the materials that form the crowd and everything inside the crowd it’s

it’s quite exotic because uh one of the company’s uh leadership was a young

material scientist when he graduated with his doctorate at material science from uh one of the university uh one of

the ill universities in Illinois back in 1970 and he was hired by Ben Rich work

with a team at scope works that was the uh advanced projects a developer agency

I think is what blockic air crackup he called them back in those days so um so

basically this is what he was telling me he’s a advanced material solutist and he said well we could use the best

diagnostical equit that we had back in those days uh which was 6070s 80s and

90s and uh we could see the elements through mascot mass spectroscopy that

compose these structures but when we look at how they’re composed and structured uh it’s it’s like nothing

we’ve been able to fabricate or we’d never be able to do so And we had no

extrapolated engineering or physics technology to tell us or inform us on and how we could possibly learn how to

fabricate this iron so they they understood that it’s the combination of the elements was very unusual uh it was

counterintuitive but it’s the way the materials are fabricated that’s what makes it exotic

thanks thank you very much sir next question is going to go yes ma’am absolutely four is yours yeah so thank

you for you guys come today i have to get going but I am charging Burlesen and Burchchett uh to be here and continue on

while I am not here uh but I will say that I mean the stuff that you guys have all told us today mind-blowing and I

think you know going on record it even more cord so we are going to buddy back to alto by some point uh but I do have

to head up to thank you so much for your time sap and we’ll

be thank you for being here okay so the next question is going to

uh I’ve got a long list of questions for obviously I’m going to get to them all we have to try to stay on track so it’s probably going to be my last question

for this and we could go on all day but we’ve got two other panels we have to get through and there’s going to be some

new information for you last question before the break abided uh I know that

you were privy to the incidents in you at rearing the USS Roosevelt in fact there’s another distinguished guest we

have with us here today Ryan Bra who’s pilot uh who uh has been very helpful

informing Congress about some of the air safety issues because he himself has come up close and personal with one of

these objects whatever they are um could you please provide a brief synopsis on

your experience and more importantly what was the reaction by certain elements within the

department of defense and some of your frustration that you experienced regarding that reporting that type of

reporting thanks Lou and yes I would be glad to is at the time of the Rosebell UAP sightings i was the onestar animal

in charge of all the Navy meteorologists oceanographers and I had a I had aographers mates on the ship doing the

weather forecast and and as the chief meteorologist of the Navy my responsibility was safety of flight one

of my main responsibilities and at the time I received an email Navy’s classified system secret system uh it

was addressed to every subordinate under command called Fleet Force Command the four-star command that I reported to and

that the commander of the boat the Roosevelt Strike reported to as well as several other units and attached to the

email was the go fast video that everybody’s seen now and has been declassified and released to the public

uh and the email title was urgent safety apply issue and all capital letters and

it came from the operations officer of Fleet Forces Command asking if any of the recipients of the email knew what

these were these UAP because they were having numerous near midair collisions as as Ryan Graves uh saw firsthand his

his squadron mates and uh and then the next day uh that email was wiped from my

computer and no one talked about it in any subsequent meetings to play Porsches command and this was very unusual

because the primary job of fleet forces commands to prepare Navy units to deploy like the the Roosevelt strike route and

that exercise was a critical pre-eployment uh requirement to get pilot certified to land on flight deck

and so not talking about an urgent safety or flight issue for example the UAP that split a section of aircraft you

don’t want anything to get within a mile of an FAT when when it’s operating so that that they didn’t talk about it that

was covered up uh didn’t sit well with me and and that’s the reason I have come out today and or really for the past few

years uh to talk about this and make sure we we support all these reasons to

uh to acknowledge uh and make be more transparent about UAP activity and data

and that’s why I’m on the advisory board of Brian’s American Pursuit Aerospace and we’ve been advocating for the FAA to

institute a system of reporting with standards to get more information out

there uh to support safety flight and science excellent admiral Gett you have a

question by uh Representative Rosson go ahead sir four is yours yeah thank you um Mr davis I wanted to ask before you

before this panel is over um want to pull some threads here the

um what is your understanding of the physics um or the likely propulsion

technology what is your assessment of of what the capabilities are and how it’s

being achieved and then also if what what I want to ask about materials and energy

as well uh we can only speculate uh these things are so far and advanced uh

we can only speculate the best speculation I could come up with is general opportunity does

a great job predicting something like a warp bubble uh UAE do exhibit the phenomenon of sublight or less light

speed for bubbles uh however that’s becomes a challenge when you talk about

UAV that dive into the ocean and climb up out of the in the ocean and up into

the earth so uh war so it’s not warping spacetime it’s a warping space time yeah

that’s described on Einstein Jen theory and so the problem is you gravity warp

space time that’s right right yeah so so that these objects are

changing space time around them yeah they you have a thin shell uh energy and

the type of energy has to be would have to be negative energy density and consistent with the type of energy

density that you can create for me and examples of that are Casmir Cali that

has a little vacuum region that’s bound by the two

plates of the cavity uh there’s also squeeze like squeeze states of light where that’s a laser beam where you’re

going to take uh uh some part of canonical uh noise fluctuations for part

of that part of the beam you’re not interested in and pile it up uh elsewhere in the phase space and this is

getting very technical so so I’ll just kind of keep it this way you’re going to take the gland vacuum

fluctuation that we know is to waves or shuts in laser beach or your pile somewhere else uh in the area you’re not

interested in measuring and you only want to measure the amplitude of that beam and that point when you take the quantum values and fluctuations and that

amplitude that energy density goes negative and the energy density it’s a squared the amplitude so that goes

negative and uh that’s an example of negative energy the uh the mass of the earth creates space-time if it was I’m

sorry oh I was going to say so that space-time curvature which wouldn’t feel as if the poison is browing on the surface of the earth drags down boiling

back in the flu flux fluctuations of the poor fields at her out space near near the earth in the vicinity of the earth

and uh that energy do you have to be negative and so this is an example of

theoretically predicted astronomical sources of negative energy as well as a laboratory source energy so that’s what

you would need to build a war belt and that’s what you need to build a uh construct the shell just a brief comment

of clarification we have two pillars modern physs quantum mechanics

and Einstein’s theory gravity which is curvature of spacetime right we don’t have a reliable theory that combines a

pip quantum gravity so what we are hearing is

speculation we not have the knowledge to figure out if you can create character

of space time out of negative energy density because we have never mastered this technology we don’t have an

understanding of that so it’s possible that and millennium from now we’ll have those

quantum gravity engineers you know that’s possible currently we just you know we’re just like too prietic

technologically to figure it out the question is is there something in position of government that the

scientists should look it too and you know I would love to to have government figure it out because it may guide us

about a theory of quantum reality if if we can so we have to enus about these bays and we can speculate that uh or

what the best approach to take just over work bubble or ease a shell of billion energy that would create a tourist war

which would be a shortcut to use space he told two distant things but um we

have we have craft in our possession um there are no physicists merely working

in those programs they’re basically mechanical aerodynamics aerospace thermal control engineers electronic

electrical engineer and material scientists and material science is a part of engineering out uh us overlaps

chemistry as well and they’ve never had a physicist like him or I uh they’ve

never had an applied physicist or an experimental physicist and so they are really lacking in the ability to

understand Holland as well sir the latest program has been very ins isolated and insular so unfortunately uh

it’s it’s a bit of a my approach here of a bit ancestrous community uh there’s

not a whole lot of outside involvement because it is so high classified and that’s been some of the frustration and

I think challenges technologically speaking because we haven’t been able to recently apply new talent new ideas new

theories to what may be uh what the US car may be in possession of what about

the energy attention um the energy is a question of comments we’re seeing right

yeah we I haven’t been able to access that Dr davis can you talk for a moment sorry about the limits and that the

calculations for the object to go from 80,000 ft within less than a second 50

ft over the water what what type of energy uh require talking about hundreds of times the total electrical energy

produced in the United States annual that’s the kind of energy that is representative of the observed features

and performances of UEP crap especially chitchat that the Davidson County remember of 2004 and uh so it’s hundreds

and hundreds of times what the what the United States produces ambient and how

and so uh that that could occur really well with the interstellar spacecraft that will tr relativist ultra relativist

ultra relativist to beat anywhere from 90 to 99% speed like the energy just is

astronomically huge so um these craft uh I have not been I don’t have the

security clearances I need to know to get access to the technical details but I’m made to understand that the prer

consisted in size when the tic tac uh even double in size of the tic tac uh

that would be up to 100 ft long by uh 50t diameter of that type brewery shaped

craft um arrowshaped crack triangular shaped craft and so forth uh the biggest ones that had been observed especially

that we investigated in 1999 in Balby Sky Air Force Base that was a 600 foot

long prowl and it was about roughly 100 ft tall and uh so they don’t have

possession crap like that i’ve never been told that it’s usually the more man scammed somebody couldn’t move

so we my villain yeah so uh so we we could always speculate um I know Jim

Kasy grown into his book uh I over time limited but anyway it was

go to Colin Kelliger by Wet Mitch and uh George Nap of K TV in Las Vegas and so

Jim mentioned and I Jim was the program manager for the AA Damas the AAS

uh WAP it was and um and so basically he described in his

book somebody I I don’t know if it him because he never I think he said it was him uh went inside one of these craft

that he had access to and they couldn’t recognize any propulsure or power

devices or systems inside a crap it’s complete in a huge trouser and I have

speculated that possibly their teleport energy from a most distant location where the energy is produced is

teleported tubic trout and that’s how the craft can move around without having to carry propellant uh or rocket engine

or or an advanced work drive engine on it that’s one possibility that there’s separate on the

material so what do you have you think is carbon can take multiple forms right

are you saying that that is the same with other material other elements the way which what we found is

different forms of these elements that we be different how it be different combinations of the elements is the big

ratios as well correct yeah so you’re you’re you’re going to have a variety of

uh whatever structural part of this that came off of the EVP and I don’t know even though was it I didn’t have s uh

way better dodge SAP access I We have TSSCI so at the SCI level I was informed

that there’d be combinations of elements periodic table combination they’re isotopes so we have a variety pelon uh

as they naturally occur or some isotopes of them mixed together in a certain way and then they’re structurally built in a

very unusual way that even chain we have no um equival so these weren’t these this is

about as much as I was given information at an SEI and do you have or can you

comment on whatever species and then

uh how did these craft how are they large in are they are they multiple

species or they are they what is their size and how many yard usually on a crab

they’re typically the multiple species people really like the grays the mortics uh people were talked about reptilians

and insecttoides is that they’re reptilian or insecttoides that they resemble uh to the precidim reptile or

an insect type human because they have this a handed four limbs and

torso so large small uh human size human scale and are there other crew well the

crew well the grays I’m familiar with from uh investigating the crash Crash at Bironia which is mis misnamed the the

crash of Roswell it’s not the grassy roswall it’s the grass at Bronia messier those were grays those were four foot

tall and uh the Nordics are typically human size uh probably I from five six

feet tall um and same with the people who this this label reptilian and insect

work they’re roughly that height too i haven’t heard anything about anything

some in Greek pe

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all right folks uh we could shut that door we’re going to get rolling here i want to be cognizant of the representative’s

time all right next part of this u panel discussion

will involve uh national security uh before we

begin I would like to share something with you this is Dr plan and I just receive permission to

share this with you this

morning and I read what I’m saying is this thing now that is important and relevant to this conversation will be so

invable to event uh very relevant to this

conversation we talk about national security a lot and our pilots are men women uniform verified warrior for us

the combat there’ll be a whole sector out there also that’s our commercial piles

besian copper was taken 2021 over four foreign region and now the approxim

21,000 ft by a power pilot outside his aircraft

um and this is a photo of a coffee for com to see it was taken by a uh all

information on the camera I do please give permission today to share this with

um it is only object it and looked at the shadow being cast it is

significantly large now to 21,000 ft taken by a civilian

pilot now why is this important i’ll pass this

around um I’ll copy on your pinch as well can you pass

along down for them this tang from a civilian pilot right not a fleer system not an

infrared system but an average person with an average camera at 21,000 ft and the

object potentially is anywhere between 600 to 1,000 ft in

diicular object and it is silver now uh I cannot go for the veracity of this

photograph i didn’t tell you to um but this is an example of one of many many

many incidents involving commercial and private pilots and guess what they don’t

know where to report it guess what congress has no idea that this has happened on a regular

basis that’s a problem and why is this relevant because right you’re going to hear from two speakers i’ll introduce

you to them in a moment who uh who are experts in national security and have been um

following this topic for some time what I’d like to do is uh introduce you to Mr

chris Melon first and foremost uh Chris Melon is a uh former former boss and

boss boss boss he was a senior staff director if I’m not mistaken uh here at

the Senate at the time with uh Bill Cohen Senator Bill Cohen and then he later went to the Department of Defense

and became the first uh what you might call the under secretary of defense for intelligence the position before there

was a dazzy that Debbius is the secretary descent for basically Crystal is responsible for all the intelligence

equities globally globally for the department of defense right anything from human

operations to special life as programs and everything else

um Chris has been a spearhead in public engagement getting

the academic community the scientific community everybody intelligence committee all to

apply their efforts and time and talent and resources to

this very real problem the next individual uh is Mr kirk can come up uh sen former

senior military officer as well and Mary senior staffer on the s subsider for the

senate arlet services committee who was instrumental in helping get Dr eric

Davis to provide classified briefings to certain members of Congress i won’t say

who that’s not my place to say um Kurt has been in shadows for a very

long time and he has been extremely effective in getting this topic at the highest and to the attention of the

highest levels of our government and that two other administrations of wealth

not just this one and the one before that as well um so with that said

there’s a whole lot more could go and I could spend probably half an hour going over their academic meet today their accomplishers um but rather what I’d

like to do is spend some of that time instead and allowing them to have discussion with you here today some

questions I think Chris Melon first um has a presentation he’d like to provide thank you so I’m going to give the floor

to Chris Melon please uh welcome Mark to our new

panel busy embarrass

thank you that uh overly uh kind introduction and uh my thanks to the to

the congressman for taking time out of their busy schedules to be here with us and everyone else who contributed

especially Jordan Flowers i just returned from uh South America uh for

about 4 weeks and uh uh promised I would not work on anything related to UAP the

whole time and uh got back here and made a quick

turn all under the weather wouldn’t have a briefing if it wasn’t for uh for Jordan and uh his assistance uh what I

want to talk about uh is I don’t think the public is aware of the

extent of her airspace vulnerabilities and failures and the

decreeing in which they already been exploited and are being exploited today

and the challenge that we face in trying to sort this out i’d also want to pit a

little bit based on uh earlier conversations i wasn’t uh going to get

into this so much but Dr w talked about spending a billion dollars or so to

develop new sensors to collect information one of my career frustrations in the intelligence

community has been that we have incredible sensors that are far more than a billion

dollars and we have a great many of them and they are collecting information

today which is directly pertinent to this topic but that information is not

reaching congress it’s not reaching the scientific community uh in many cases I

don’t think it’s reaching arrow which is the office that congress established to

study and evaluate this phenomena so if we could have the first slide please or

is this going to be there Yeah so here’s just a little overview of

uh Tom touched on which is the word shocking I think is uh is not an

exaggeration or hyperbole in this case uh we really are effectively doing it

from Jerin standpoint when it comes to these drones uh I’ll talk and provide

very specific examples to illustrate that uh and the UAP uh and uh let me get

here okay this is a uh sure you don’t have this drag in front of you but this

is an ant that displays roughly the coverage provided by something called

the solid state phased array radar system these are recordedly the most

powerful emitters on the planet if there are other civilizations in nearby solar

systems they’re more likely to detect these emitters than probably anything else on our planet uh how many UAP would

you guess they have detected in say the last 20

years that had been reported to error zero zero

zero how is it possible to the most powerful radar I’ve been writing to

about this for years by the way effectlessly go this is not a dupage to somebody in Congress to listen

to this and pay attention for years will testify to that that your observance

committee because I keep going up there and had them for years say guys how come this ever detects a UMD how is that

possible these are the most powerful leaders on the planet look at the area they cover and Oh by the way will you

look at the area they covered so we keep having reports over and over again from

tactical systems from ships plane and aircraft in the areas covered by these

radar so Eegis ships planes flown by

uh Mr brian here and his naval aviator colleagues and others are reporting UAE

uh UAP constantly in these areas but somehow these systems never seem to see

a UFP error how is that possible it happened

though he’s asking about that is this a Chinese balloon situation where all we

need to do is tweak the filters and lo and behold we’re going to bring into

focus something which is uh it drums if nothing else they’re a viable absolutely

viable uh air security sign we know that in Russia and the

Ukraine today drones are causing more casualties and killing more people than

any other weapon system right so this is utterly transformed

warfare as we know it here’s a multi-billion dollar system it’s up and

running this is the successor to the old ballistic missile early warning system so its primary function is to detect

ballistic missiles coming over the poles from Russia or China or from North Korea and developed intercept solutions uh but

it also has a mission of detecting sea launch cruise missiles and bombers and so forth so there’s couple there’s one

of several possibilities either we’ve spent billions of dollars on a system that’s

not performing as it should be or uh it just you know maybe needs some

some tweaks and filters to expand the the range of things that reports on a

you know one of the challenges with these systems is to avoid clutter right because they’re so powerful they collect

so much they’ve got to filter it down so what’s being displayed is reasonable and

appropriate to the mission uh it could be a problem of that sort or

it’s simply so highly classified that the information is not reaching

error i favor the latter i think that’s what’s going on and I think if Congress

were to to poke hard on this uh maybe get an inspector general to look at

these possible options or otherwise uh look into this they they would get some

answers next question is that data from that system be archived

i believe so i don’t know how far back they go and how how that’s a great

question i don’t know how far back he goes and uh one of the things so when

you approach NORAD about this with the Air Force you start asking about this data and what are they seeing so right

now my understanding is by the way that they don’t even tell Arrow uh which

whose director is supposedly clear for everything they don’t even tell him when they scramble fighter aircraft to

conduct intercepts so they’re regularly scrambling fighter aircraft i’ve talked to and interviewed on television a NORED

officer who told an account of walking into Cheyenne Mountain uh where he uh

for duty and everybody was standing on their feet looking at the big screen and

there was a UAP coming down from the arctable on the east coast of the United States and the commander-in-chief of

Norz said quote I want that f and everybody said yes sir and they were

watching everything we have in the east coast couldn’t get near it couldn’t get a radar lock uh it disappeared out over

the southern Atlantic is that the only time that ever happened the one time

that this NORAD officer gave us a town from the 1990s when the system was much

less capable than it is today and when we’re seeing fewer uh things than we are

today and and fewer intrusions over the sleeping airspace I ra it uh this is by

the way only one of the number of multibillion dollar systems they’re

already deployed they’re collecting data that bears directly on this topic and don’t

seem to be reporting anything to Arrow so the arrow issued a report in your

last report they said we don’t have anything in they haven’t seen any UAD in

space but they were I think 40 instances in which groundbased reporters like

civilian airwide pilots reported things far above beyond what they call the

carman line in 100,000 ft which is what they consider outer space for these

purposes now there’s another system called the groundbased electrooptical

uh deep space surveillance system which is a ring of cameras circling the globe

that does nothing but stare at the night sky all night long how come those systems didn’t

detect what these pilots are talking about they’re looking up saying “I saw these bright lights moving etc etc.”

Well there’s one of these cameras on top of uh of uh our one of our highest peaks

and why it does nothing but stare at the night sky that same night sky all night long did it miss that was it a cloudy

night has any of those cameras ever collected one of these incidents they

said there were 40 uh I would think somebody ought to take an inventory and say we want to know

which of these surveillance systems is reporting UAP and uh which are not and

what specifically are they reporting taking inventory again is there a systemic problem or failure with these

systems the taxpayers spending billions of dollars i would we would want to know that now interestingly with regard to

the GI system I uh one occasion at colleague who was visiting for a sort of

routine oversight uh purpose many years ago and I said while you’re there Pete

why don’t you ask that they ever seen anything strange i didn’t said wine saucer but

that’s what I was alluded to and he knew what I was talking about so he asked the question and sure enough this the month

before on that one occasion when the question was asked they had indeed

collected uh photographic imagery of it was a four or five objects moving

through the night sky and formation traveling parallel to the earth’s surface i don’t know that the question

has ever been asked since that was probably 20 years ago i find it hard to

believe that in all that time that they haven’t collected anything relevant to

this question and I don’t understand why that data is not getting error i don’t

know if anyone has again has even got a checklist to make sure that when

Congress issued this directive and said you’re going to there’s a reporting

requirement now everybody needs to report this stuff it needs to go to the Air Force it needs to tilt down through

the commands is anything coming back up from these system do these people even know they’re supposed to

report and is there any reporting of that kind going on it’s another system

called the spacebased infrared system multibillion dollar system this

is again in the unclassified domain what I’m talking about here there’s quite a

bit you know additionally that is paid for by the taxpayer this permit it’s a

very robust system with satellites in multiple orbits highly elliptical orbits

geospatial orbits very high precision it’s looking for infrared uh in heat

kinds of events uh as far as I know they have detected reported the arrow zero

UAPs okay maybe nothing happened maybe they haven’t seen anything but it does

make you wonder in this case it’s particularly strange since we know there

are dozens if not hundreds of UAP incidents happening within the areas

that this system is supposed to revive coverage of for example fumes nemesis

incident occurred excuse me almost directly in front of the radar at Beiel Air Force

Base right off the coast and this went on for about a week or so and you had

objects descending from 60,000 ft and back up so I don’t think anyone could

say well they were so small and they were so close to the water it wasn’t within range of the radar these things

were at very high altitudes and this was going on on a sustained

basis so my suspicion is now I understand that that data could be

highly classified i could understand why it might not be the quality domain what I can’t understand is why Arrow does not

see to be aware of this data and why the appropriate congressional committees do

not seem to be aware of the influence of this do I realistically expect them to

happen because I’m raising this here no because I’ve been doing this for years

but what the heck we’re here might as well try again

uh let’s go on to uh to the next slide so

uh we have uh an incredible series of events that

have been happening i wrote an article a year ago to this month called Who’s

Operating the Drones Plaguing the US Military and uh uh it did actually get

read by a producer for 60 minutes who subsequently did a piece which featured

several uh fourstar officers who in fact confirmed what I was discussing and

alleging in the article uh with regard to the events that occurred at Landley

Air Force Base and elsewhere is true here’s the air combat

command which is supposed to be protecting these gentlemen in this institution where we’re sitting and

Capitol Hill and the White House and the US government and they can’t protect the

road airspace they have to move uh our cutting edge F22 fighter squadron to a

Navy base from the air force base and this is going on for I forget how

long it was couple of weeks roughly uh and we’re talking

about strange craft bright lights appeared over this

base making it unsafe to fly night after night after

night and to this day we have no idea where they were coming from we don’t know the capabilities we don’t know who

was controlling them and that remains true not just for that base and that incident but for numerous other bases so

the first incident and the war zone is a great source for global incidents topic violated to

recording 2018 in Guam we’ve installed a

$1.5 billion dollar anti-bballistic missile system and these brightly lit small

cracks show up they go right to the THAD missile battery and are shining bright

lights down on it like photograph and this happens two nights in a row so back in 2018 it wasn’t as

apparent as it is now but obviously those drones could have been weaponized

they could have easily taken that battery out and eviscerated the the uh

ballistic missile defense on our reading facility of the Pacific not to mention

the fact I just went to that uh to Google Maps this morning to check that air base and that air base like Lanley

and my some of the others has very few hardened shelters so those multiund million

dollar aircraft that are on the runway could easily be destroyed by drones they’re

costing what a 2,000 bucks okay that’s how vulnerable we are

then in 2019 we began to see this activity off the coast of the United

States in California and I’ll read a little uh excerpt from one of those

reports uss Paul Davton observed four UAS with a closest point of approach

approximately 200 yards off the bow port and starboard

beefs you they had a uh on time station of approximately 2 hours and 20 minutes

so if you ever if you have children and you have drones at home you know that

they usually are have a maximum time of about 20 minutes these were in station

for 2 hours and 20 minutes 60 80 miles off the shore uh not

apparent where they could have been launched from what their total uh dwell time was uh the anti-UAS systems on the

ship were ineffective in uh in bringing them down the first UAS spotted by

lookouts at 240 uh observed with a single white light they go on to report others within

500 yards maneuvering four in act with four white lights and a threshing red

light they’re not trying to be sly they’re not trying to declusten approximately 200 yards above

the ship again maneuvering right around the ship back and for up and down uh

they went to the ridge of the ship with a powerful search light or photographic device so they’re actually had cases

where they go right up to the bridge and ship and shine a bright light in on the captain and the senior

crew that’s how over and provocative this is and

that apparently reflects their degree of compass that we can’t intercept them and

bring them down whoever it is that’s operating that same year we began to see

them around nuclear power plants in 2020 very strange uh situation out west this

went on not just for weeks this went on for months in one of the least densely

populated is a slide that kind of shows and maybe it’s back uh roughly part of

the region we’re talking about here yeah eastern Colorado and western

Oklahoma so we’re talking about farmland i drove out west king last winter and

drove kind of through the area it is incredibly sparsely populated there is

uh there’s very very very little bear and yet these drones were operating in

groups husters as many as 40 drones at a time they formed a uh this was so extensive

and there was so much uh eventual fur raised among the ranchers and farmers

that they formed a task force involving the FBI Department of Homeland Security

local law enforcement they deployed a special claim that the governor of California authorized that had sensors

on it and this continued to occur and we never found out where these things were

coming from who was operating them i called a sheriff there and spoke to Yim

and told me a fascinating story he said he was actually a deputy sheriff but the sheriff was also witness they responded

to a call and there were a group of these lights over this farm and uh a

brighter light came in a larger light and the smaller lights went inside it

and it took off at an extreme velocity and passed almost directly over the

sheriff and the deputy and he told me “I’ve never seen anything move that fast.” is also in the

military reserves uh this individual so uh and that report by the

way he called it a mothership uh it’s not just the story that I happen to hear

if you look at the documentation from the air force office special investigation the FBI and it

work you’ll see written documentation from other witnesses that refers to a mothership

so this is actually well documented very strange and very

concerning uh we don’t know what is in operating in our airspace and this

continues often in militarily sensitive areas 2023 Arizona test range as you

heard about landling but we do uh a lot of flying in the southwest flying

conditions are great is a ter place for the air force we have orange air force bases there and the some of the strange

things we’re seeing in the number and the rate and frequency with which this

is happening is extraordinary so um this includes now your average drone

is restricted to a flight of 450 ft we’ve got F-35s and F-22 well in this

case F-35s they’re encountering drones at 15,000 ft 70,000 ft

35,000 ft going 500 miles

hour in restricted military airspace meanwhile in the adjacent area and I

included in my PowerPoint briefing you can find uh videos from the Department

of Homeland Security Nderum about some of the strange things that they’re seeing on the

border very very odd things now this raises a little bit of an issue that

I’ve written about recently also um with the hope that that it might

prove some assistance to this task force which is why isn’t the Department of

Homeland Security can publish all these videos but Caro can’t and DoD

can’t there was a a hearing before Congress a few years ago with Mr ray

from the Navy and he said “I assure you I’m going to review these videos and make sure that we get out to you and the

public everything we can.” Um I think maybe there’s been one video in three

years since then uh when I have looked into this and talked to people at different parts of the federal

government and areas of they basically said “Nobody feels it’s their

job to turn this over to the public go wants to make the effort to submit it

for public release so back in 2017 I provided three unclassified

videos to the New York Times you’ve all seen those gimble Fleer Go Fast right

there are a lot more like that they just haven’t been released because shortly after that somebody created the

classification guide which suddenly said in contradiction to the executive order

classification signed by the president that anything essentially anything

having to do with UAP is now suddenly mystically classified because it might

damage national security even though those three videos the FBI the the

office of special uh investigations spearboards investigated confirmed they were in classified not only did they not

damage NASA jury they helped national security they helped raise an awareness

for the public and requires that we have a dare defense problem here and the

scientific community is very eager to get more of those kinds of videos because they want to train AI systems

they want to know what it is we’re looking for they want to measure the signatures there’s a lot they can

contribute to this but the bureaucracy uh is not responding and I think there I

couldn’t put a number on it but I believe that if someone were to to poke

that system and force them to review that classification guide if someone

were to establish some advocacy for taking that which is truly unclassified

and admittedly absolutely there are many things videos that would be our program

is classified not questioning that what I am saying is that there are others that fall into this camp that would have

value to the public value to Congress value to the scientific community and

this is not an expensive proposition it’s just a matter of getting somebody

to focus on it and and put these through the process and uh I think the public

not only has a right to know I think it’s beyond that i think there’s a is

there’s a utilitarian function there’s great value in the public knowing this

information and value to the scientific community in having this

information uh I give the example sometimes of what happened was and I

promise I’m gonna get off the stage real fast um so I’m starting I’m starting to

blow into my own uh uh stereo that I get into but uh the uh this budget program I

have no doubt if they could have kept it secret the CIA would not have told the American Well the Russians had a

satellite at work and we wouldn’t have had the space program when we did we

wouldn’t have got to the moon when we did uh because the people would have gotten fired up and said “Oh my god this

is not acceptable that the Russians are ahead of us and we need to act.” And Congress took action and it was

uh you know it actually ironically we ended up collaborating with the Russians in space and it actually helped from you

know facilitate some peaceful uh developments and relations i think there are a lot of uh benefits along those

lines that uh that they could acrue but it’s going to take some uh

some effort and uh on the part of um uh Congress I think to compel this to

happen if it’s going to happen so with that I will close and thank our

congressional sponsors for taking an interest in this and giving us the opportunity to express

our concerns and uh share what we uh what we’ve learned thus far about this

problem thank you if I second the question this high resolution 4K videos

of UAP is this stuff you know about or is this stuff that you’ve seen well there’s some stuff that I’ve seen and

and uh I’ve asked about and hey there’s one video I’ve seen that they’re going

to declassify and um I hope that happens um it wasn’t for

I was it was 4K it was more like what you’ve seen you know was infrared sensor

gun video along the lines of what the New York Times published in the

Washington Post subsequently uh so it’s that kind of of

video from that sensor system so we know it exists oh yeah yeah yeah and by the

way we are at a point now where the arrow has received

uh somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,800 military

reports 1,800 in just the last two years i some

of those are iPhone videos so I don’t think there’s a big source as an ethics issue there

there’s inahedia at summer from you know you get at best buy and say oh there’s

other ship when the video landed that uh there’s got to be a number in that mix

that could be revealed and uh beyond that as I said I think there’s a lot of

high caliber sensor data the American people weren’t paid for many of these

sensors they’re out there many of them and they’re collecting pertinent data Obvious Dr lois benefited from the data

that had to do with the re-entry of the interstellar vehicle it was a great example of the taxpayer planet system

that contributed to science in a very meaningful way i do hear you tell you I

think there’s a lot more to that kind of thing that could be made available if someone did a thorough assessment of the

sensor systems that we had and what they’re collecting and took a hard look

at classification issues we also had a system a uh precedented ones where we

cleared for global warming scientists to look at some classified data related to

that scientific problem set and that’s conceivably another it has there’s

problems with that because scientists want to be able to publish of course they want their colleagues to be able to

see everything possible about the sources but there are variety of opportunities I think we’re missing at

the same time there’s a huge huge national security issue here and we’ve got stuff in our skies some of it could

represent technologizable surprise that we need to find out about you’ve got these unmanned system

the 35,000 ft that’s a mile higher than top of Mount Everest or 500 miles an

hour in restricted military airspace i would say we go award to you

okay Chris just says I do not have the advantage of height that you do so I

have to bring this way down um I think uh Chris brings up a very

good point and the reason why I decided to share this photograph with you tech from a civilian pilot now is because the

same challenges that our pilots or military pilots are facing as to where

to report it who’s going to analyze it what you do with the information multiply that for the

civilian aviation community do they report to the FAA did they report to Mori maybe to the Air Force a dissert

organization right who’s responsible for getting this information now again roomy caveat this is not embedded uh this was

taken by a civilian pilot but once again you would think this information would be important for

somebody to look at certainly someone in government certainly some some of our representatives that are sitting here

right this these are over sensitive military installations whose are they what are their capabilities what are the

intent right uh but enough of me right now let’s let’s let’s go on to uh our

our second expert here uh Mr kurt

Paw yeah i had a particular old day once again these these guests are just unbelievable uh Kurt my question is for

you and I’m going to go off script here for a minute you have deep expertise and experience with the Senate Armed

Services Committee what is right now the greatest challenge

you see for our Congress to tackle this

topic on behalf of the American people what is it you had to narrow it down to one one to three challenges especially

for our reps here that are sitting with us here today some patiently what would be in your estimate the three greatest

challenges facing Congress to win this top well I I I would uh speculate I’m I’m

not an elected official can you all hear back there no okay let’s do it on that we’re on your left yeah

that um I certainly don’t want to speak for Congress uh you know I I do want to

mention that um I didn’t serve 37 years as a staff member on Cap Hill or Senator

Armed Services Committee and both the House and Senators intelligence committees uh I was not in the military

got that wrong uh but so I’ve been up here a long time but I had no uh voting

card no i have tremendous respect for the institution and I

don’t intend to appeal sort of inside faithful nation uh but uh you know what

I would say is uh on topic like this my sense is that Congress needs a lot of

confidence to push really vigorously and where are they going to

get that confidence that there is an absolute assurance that there’s a a

reality and I think as much evidence as has been accumulated in public domain uh

over such a long period time it is subject to uh to question and you all

know how that has has proceeded over the jury decades um the key to this in my

opinion is firsthand sources who can testify to direct involvement in this

so-called legacy program of uh crash retrievables perverse engineering uh

unfortunately uh there are people out there I I believe from from many

reporters that uh are interested in coming forward and telling their story

but they are very much intimidated and frightened about doing that uh that

they’re afraid of uh of the consequences including their own personal safety is

what they relate their personal safety certainly their career starting with

their security clearances which is the means that they have to make a living um

and they have observed uh some folks uh who have come forward not to mention you

Lou and Dave Rush and have seen uh what those folks had gone through and

most of them say “Yeah I’m not doing that.” U so I think we’re we’re sort of

in a a tough situation it’s almost like uh you know catch 22 uh we need we need

more uh more primary sources uh but it’s hard to get uh people with that kind of

uh that kind of information to come forward because of of the fear of

retaliation we need a better whistleblower question sir that’s uh something that I’m sure as you know

always been discussed in both the senator and the house why aren’t you draw me something up really c yes sir u

so uh whistleblower protections is uh and and you know finding ways to even

uh compensate them if they do have negative consequences for coming forward

uh and so forth so I I certainly uh I certainly think this is uh this is a m a

major a major factor i would just let you ask the

mic on actually Chris please jump yeah so there was uh I keep the period to

address that issue as well and the sorry yeah I can be totally what I could that

had a question as well uh but the classified session was

cancelled on I think due to the sensitivity of the names of the

individuals and and so forth uh

I you know I didn’t think it was appropriate to once I could do it in unclassified setting if they do reschedu

a classified setting I think uh I’m more than happy to try to provide some Here’s

some specifics uh I published a signal message I received from a very senior

government official he described a specific Secretary of the Air Force

memorandum he described a specific recovery site he

describ program uh Lincoln has asked me to follow up on

that i have all that information um you know I was very sure what I could

about that but um I don’t know that it would be defended or ease any inclusion

but uh I do think those names due to you know privacy concerns of the individuals

and so forth obviously it’s sensitive so I’m prepared to try to help with that as

I can as well but in this session I wanted to address uh uh some of these

other issues related to the fruit classification you ask a general question to either of you what are the

consequences and can either look that you can answer or what are the consequences of Congress not taking

action on this topic from a national security perspective

uh well the uh you heard uh Dr uh Eric Davis uh uh

expressing expressing uh uh his understanding of uh the state of affairs

in this uh arena which namely which which is that the program the legacy

program called DAP has uh has uh has been sort of stalled that

uh we’re not uh we’re not making the best use of allegedly we’re not making

the best use of the best minds in the country um the

compartmentalization allegedly has prevented the kind of coordination and

uh collaboration between uh scientists to

really you know practice very difficult set of uh physics problem uh and uh and

there I’m sure that the security uh element that’s had to be applied to this

uh to This uh activity has uh come with a lot of costs in terms of uh

effectively managing the management program and it is alleged that this even

extends uh within the executive branch that very senior uh leaders in the executive branch

aren’t aware of this and are not uh uh you know managing the effort so it it

doesn’t it’s not a leap uh or stretch to to suppose that we’re hampering

ourselves uh immensely by this continued

uh compartmentation um and certainly commerce does not know whether this

activity is being managed appropriate we don’t know if it’s got the right level of resources it’s got

the right management structure the right incentives and so on and so forth um you

know we think our government can work pretty well when we’re when we’re uh managing things according to to rules uh

and uh so I I think that this is uh this is a a detriment to national security

the lack of of oversight and and and and use it’s certainly possible to keep

properly classified things classif and still have an effective oversight and management both in the

executive branch and so on speaking of uh uh keeping

national security and and secrets uh classified which I completely agree with

there are very specific reasons why we want to keep certain aspects of this topic classified sources and methods etc

and certain capabilities but let me ask this question probably for for you uh Mr

melan in your opinion what are the Conor

Valley well I because uh the fact I’m not wearing a

tie have to make up for a summer i’ve already been

accumulating trying to be more formal here chris uh in your opinion what are the consequences of retroactively

classifying information previously unclassified and are you aware of any

specific incidents of information or data that was what’s unclassified that

is now classified well as I mentioned earlier though I I

think there’s piles of that stuff and I think there’s so much of it that it’s

kind of hard to gauge what the cods are because uh my understanding is that they

adopted the classification guide which basically says anything and everything to do in the

UAP is classified here for now people who haven’t read the executive order may

not be aware the executive order says when in doubt you should heir on the

side of going unclassified it airs you’re supposed to

heir on the side of transparency and openness to the American people and when

we’re talking about many of these videos uh if an F18 atclear prioting pod video

is unclassified in 2017 and we’re not talking about denied area or some other

usual exception how could it be classified two years when you take the same video from

the same system in the same area two years later i don’t get it but that

looks like what they did and the avoid is typically and I I argued viferously

against it at the time i knew some of the people involved and tried to make the argument that guys you wouldn’t even

be here would be having a discussion if information hadn’t got

into the public domain via Congress and the press and

that’s why we made the progress we made today and now you want to drop a turtle on everything what do you you know what I

don’t get it so uh I can’t really gauge the the implications but I do think

they’re make and I think it’s it’s inappropriate i think it’s probably unlawful

uh my last question here before we move uh to a very short break for the next panel i want to be respectful of time

both the congressional members and of course uh our panelists as well this next question goes to you Kirk

um you mentioned a little bit about whistleblowers and I know that gang um

and you don’t have to talk about but I know you received classified briefings before on this topic from specific

subject matter experts and some of your colleagues what can Congress do

specifically men such as Rep Burlson Repched Runa their colleagues to better

protect whistleblowers to incentivize individuals to come forward

and provide at a minimum unclassified information in a way that they don’t

have to worry about retribution to their careers perhaps much worse and

classified information in the proper value what what can Congress do to to

help improve that flow of information and minimize the deprisals that some of us have have faced in the past

uh Lou I would uh I would first off like to say that uh that uh there is a an

option like people who do come forward and want to talk to uh committees in

Congress don’t have to go public um they can and have uh come to the armed

services committees the intelligence committees and uh uh in in confidence on

a classified basis related in what they know and what their experience has been

um uh the members who have who proceeded

that kind of uh stos and and uh witness statements uh

have protected the identity of of such people and they have

uh they had thereby been protected um the the the uh negative side of that

is that the members uh can’t go around and tell their colleagues uh uh what

they they have learned because that’s uh that risks the identity of the people

that come forward in confidence and therefore it doesn’t it doesn’t empower

members to then uh uh procilitize and and get everyone uh geared up to really

make a strong investigator Tory Kush uh but it is an it is an option uh for for

people to consider uh I would also say that uh we have a gentleman here in the

audience who has uh uh conducted a oh

legal uh history of uh people who uh

come forward to make uh classified uh statements to Congress over long period

of time and uh he tells me that uh he

can’t find an instance where someone coming forward and getting a classified

information to Congress without sort of formal uh permission from the executive

branch that there’s never been uh and I hope I’m getting this right there’s never been an indictment or much less a

prosecution for doing that uh now I I certainly I’m a lawyer i certainly does

want to encourage people to uh to sort of break the rules as they see as they

understand them and what they’re bound to by agreements that they sign but it

is at least something to think about um and uh and eventually act on that

obviously takes a lot of courage to do that i just like to this is a low debon

sector but our panel’s coming to an end and I I did want to make a share a concern on you after you said we have

two different issues here we have UAP objects that you’re observing uh in

flight acting around military etc we had an issue of of possible recovery of of

materials uh these two issues in the public mind are blended it’s entirely

impossible that we might not have recovered materials but UAP are very real and here a blessing and it’s an

urgent issue and I had a concern that if that issue is not in some way validated

or addressed it was the risk to discrediting the entire topic and we’ve

made enormous progress uh nothing happened in the essentially

from blue book days until 2017 and I I fear that if there isn’t

some uh effective way of addressing this that we run the risk of of a major

setback i don’t know how secure arrow is in the long term i’m not seeing interest

on the part of the chairman of the committees that fund it on your armed

services and intelligence committees they don’t seem to be engaged or supportive at this point for defensive

probe so I think we’re in somewhat tenuous ground perk might be just probably in better position to address

this than me but I think that a second falls medic from Rurick in front of it

and how do you manage that who deals with that it’s such a transformational

issue that it cannot be a press release that comes out of from a you know from

from Congress some afternoon at uh Friday afternoon or something it’s a

literally cosmic dissue that runs the risk of having a terrifying tens of

millions hundreds of millions of people grab it so it’s a very complex interrelated set of issues and uh I

think we we and whoever side of this like really needs

to think through how to handle the two of those things and uh our foundation

obviously wants to help him um why I don’t but I think there’s a tough

challenge for members who are very very busy people with a lot on their plates

and the complex mode i’m I’m going to make an exception here i’m going to continue this conversation because there’s a question I want to ask you

very related to with their expertise go back Kirk well I I wanted to uh get to

the question that you actually asked were you just about whistleblower protections and I’m uh by no means uh an

expert or even really conversant uh on the topic of uh whistleblower

protections uh but um you know applying common sense kind of standard uh you

know you need to you need to have uh we need to have

legislation that uh that really is strong uh you know there’s a long record

of whistleblowers despite whistleblower protections in the law uh they get

retali and they they lose their jobs they lose their careers and

uh it happens with enough regularity that no one could blame people for not

one not one capis so the legislation would need to be would need to be very robust and I

think it would need to include things like restitution possibility of uh of of

uh the government making good on the loss of loss of their career loss of

security clearances if it comes to that and uh and and making uh you know m

making sure that uh that people are not going to uh you know uh suffer these

consequences um even though the law said they should never have suffered such consequence you

got you got clean up the mess uh that that that tends to happen

um so anyway I uh I out myself with So

one last question i know you said it before i’m going to again break the rule here real quick but I’m going to ask you very quickly was try to for Ken’s big

question but try to keep 16 to pretend uh Minister Belfie and and I think uh this is part

of the challenge that Congress faces okay so you have we all want to protect national security how do you

separate protecting blue force technologies perhaps perhaps hypothetically gained from the insights

of UAP recovery programs but at the same time leveling with the American people about the

reality the fundamental reality that is we a we do not have a current understanding of everything air sky

right about US air domain awareness but you don’t have a complete sight picture and J that there may be

technologies that are not from us and um that warrant further investigation but

yeah but at the same time protecting if we have any technologies hypothetically

that have been developed as a result well um Lou you know uh we heard from Dr

davis that and and many others who believe that we haven’t made much progress uh in in with respect to

deciphering what the physics are behind uh NHI and these craft they’re coming

here uh at the same time I we don’t really know that that’s true we haven’t

admitted props maybe we make grape products and and that we have stuff

ourselves that that could be uh that could be pretty marvelous right um and

certainly there can be absolutely vital uh reasons for protecting that kind of

information um I mean one thought that is is crossed my mind is uh uh you know

people say you know the United States government has been into this Why in the world wouldn’t the government

have uh made these kinds of technologies known for the betterment of our citizens

and remain common and you know one thought is like what what if it what if

once you understand the science what if the engineering I know uh Eric Davis thinks

that we’re you know we’re maybe a thousand years from up to able to do this but but what if that’s uh what if

it’s not true and you know the government is on the horns of a dilemma like it’s got energy sources that might

be an absolute boon to mankind but it also is looking at the weaponization of that and it’s terri terrifying um and so

you know gee is there a way that you could exploit that for your own benefit militarily but keeping this

uh keeping this thing somehow this genie bottled up where it doesn’t uh come into

the hands of a of a North Korean dicty um so uh I I don’t have answers i uh Lou

I think uh I think you’ve got to deal with this uh this range of uh of u of

possibilities but the first thing you got to do is understand like we have to we have to understand what the

government knows and until we do it’s going to be hard to develop a ration

strategy for managing this uh I don’t know captain Hill has risk bucks uh I

don’t think they’ll I think they manage it uh Alita that is too much

already i’d be eager to get off the stage and turn it over to All right folks three minutes thank you very much

for that

 

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in my group So first folks uh let me first extend my

sincere appreciation and thanks for everyone’s patience Uh as you can see we could probably stay all day with just

one panelist alone Lots to discuss We are barely scratching the surface here

Um the next discussion is really going to be part of a scientific discussion

And so the two panels you have here are experts in their own fields uh and and

recognized uh as a as a global leader in their particular expertise So what I’d

like to do first is introduce is Anna Ray Estes founding partner at American

DTEK former uh SBA innovation advisor for Kaufman Coffman fellow and uh on the

UABF advisory board But what you may not know is that uh this Ry Estz is deeply

involved with the National Science Foundation Um and that involvement

really includes looking at pioneering new ways to invest American talent

scientific talent into new and emerging areas of science

Where do we where do we decide to put our money and our effort in the next 20 years Where do we get that return on

investment What does that look like Right And how do we how do we force ourselves to think outside the box to to

be creative Don’t invent tomorrow’s technology Invent the technology after

tomorrow And is that type of creative thinking that has traditionally kept

this country ahead of everybody else And uh I ask you to what she when

she speaks um listen to what she has to say because

this isn’t my thing this is the future not just at this topic but any topic requiring innovation if you don’t

innovate you stagnate if you don’t stagnate you perish that’s just the bottom line right the competitive work

the next individual is a uh colleague and friend of mine Mr Mike Gold Mr from

Mike Gold is present uh the civil and international space uh at

Redwater member of the NASA UAP independent study team former NASA

associate administrator for space policy and partnerships former acting associate administrator for the office of

international and inter agency relations and senior adviser to the administrator for international and legal affairs

former vice president for civil space at Maxar Technologies former director of GC

operations and business group at the Globe Aerospace You might be remember that work from somewhere else and that

and last but certainly not least uh as a uh member of NASA uh am I correct to say

a a mission manager uh with the Ardin team Is that did I get that right

Because I’ve done two things wrong so far today So I want to make sure you’re right I’m a recovering attorney They wouldn’t let me close the deping So I

was the architect of the ardinance cores however the global partnership of 54 countries exploring mears and be

excellent and that is it right explore explore moon moon bars and beyond um

there is a uh something for you there was an estimate done that uh the future

of man mankind our species uh is not here In fact if you were to look at the

financial opportunities it was estimated that 1 times 10 to the 18th 18th power

amount of money is this this world has ever made globally in all its time as

modern civilization Multiply that by a factor of 18 and that’s the value of the

resources that lie within the inner asteroid belt resources Oh right So so

the future is there As a microbiologist there’s one primary directive for all eye systems as we know

and that’s to expand If you expand you will perish In fact you can look at

petri dish If you put the right amount of nutrients bacteria will do the same Take a plant give it nutrients and water

it will grow and take over That is the primary director of all life And we are

no exception to that So keep that in mind as these individuals are talk to

you uh about uh about the importance of this topic the UAP topic and how it relates to the scientific community Um

am I you’ve spacing that you have a your presentation for so I like to just turn it over uh first of all welcome our two

guests our esteemed guests and uh ma’am did you have

presentation and going to do the just questions and answers I’ll go verbal Yeah Okay Mike come on up and let’s uh

get you start Thanks so much Is it okay with my boo here Yeah Yeah Great Sure It’s like terms of expansion I can tell

you my doctor says I’m expanding far too That’s you too Yeah You know lot of trouble Thank you so much Blue Not only

for today but for all you have done to push top You are an American hero and as well as the congressman and many others

in this room You know the journalists the scientists the advocates pilots it

is just an honor to be here I appreciate what everyone has done Also thank you repar directors blending out of the

meeting early That was a wonderful discussion I think this is going to be a lot more exciting If I could point you

to my opening slide that is actually image taken by the blue ghost lunar lander with redwire artist cameras I’m

going to get in why that is such an extraordinary image in a moment But before we get there uh we were having a

discussion about substances and what these new substances look like new

materials what this UAD technology would be And I’ve been getting the challenging if not on an end of the task of saying

how could UAP technology impact innovation without knowing quite what that UAP technology is uh even

fundamentally So what I’d like to try and do today is give you an example of how

microgravity is impacted innovation and really almost every industrial field and

how that could be transformative I don’t know if extraterrestrial civilizations are using this I think they likely would

be but I think this is an example of how a fundamental shift in technology could change everything Uh our company Redwire

has been conducting experiments on the International Space Station on the space show for literally decades We have flown

hundreds of experiments uh over the past 35 plus years We have 11 experiments

active on the International Space Station right now more than any other company You see Senator Jonathan Lynn

running one of our experiments there The first one I’d like to show you is the biofabrication facility BFF We’re great

at appreire If you could play Veo please This is by the way an over 400 pound

payload in room table at our facility in Greenville Indiana Much easier to handle

in orbit That astronaut at a cup span where he very quickly collect coffee at 20 times speed Uh but he’s installing

what is a biofabrication unit And that system has

allowed us to manufacture human tissue in space It resulted in the first human

meniscus being printed in space Who needs a

miniscus You probably use two deer Exactly This is the impact of micro If

you try to create that meniscus on Earth I think I recovering attorney so I can put it simply it squishes You could do

that in gravity environment It’s not space per se It’s the lack of gravity that allows you to do these incredible

things uh subsequent to the success we had with the meniscus we printed live

cardiovascular tissue and we brought it back from the International Space

Station still alive Think what this could mean for people suffering from

heart disease the creation of heart patches And of course the goal of all of this is ultimately to create whole

organs in space How many of us have had friends and relatives die while waiting

on an organ donation Looks this could change all of that Additionally because

we would be using your own stem cells to create the tissue the organs we would avoid the dangerous and expensive

anti-rejection therapies that you go through So we see how microgravity could have a dramatic impact in terms of life

sciences Also pharmaceuticals Redwire has flown 28 pill boxes These are

systems where we take pharmacy drugs fly the seed crystals and seed crystals by

the way they’re like sourdough starting kit They’re what the drugs are made out of And when you create sea crystals and

microgravity they’re larger more uniform and that results in drugs with better

efficacy better tip fewer side effects Here’s a example that is very near and

dear to my heart Insulin We partnered with UI Lily We flew insulin Over on the

left side of that that’s what insulin seed crystals look like in Ukraine on Earth Over on the right side that’s what

insulin looks like in space The seed crystals Again I got a B minus in biology as a high school student Even I

can tell the difference between one and the other And because of those larger more beautiful fistals do get out a

version of insulin we’ve seen versions of cancer treatment drugs that whereas you have to go from chemotherapy that

would be injected again long painful you could potentially get to a version of the drug where it could be administered

warl so a tremendous difference here relative to pharmaceutical sector and by

the way it’s not just us your elders it’s China and the Chinese have their space station they’re going after the

same research So every time Congressman Bidens will look at the international space station replacing it with

commercial space station this revolution with biotech and microgravity is going to happen The only question is it going

to happen here in Maratha the free world or is it going to be happening in China and I do not want to be buying my next

generation pharmaceuticals drugs from the Chinese So we need to continue to support this and create new developments

but this is just like sciences of biotech You get micro grab lip pack semiconductors The same principles When

you throw crystals in space you can create new types of semiconductors that are more powerful more tolerant of heat

Agriculture you can create seeds new types of plants that can flourish in the

desert We have a a greenhouse that we’re flying in space looking at many of that efforts You see that there Uh we also

have systems with what’s called ZLAN fiber whereas new tech fiber optic that could be incredibly more powerful again

at every aspect of our technological society could be changed by this innovation Is this something that UAP

are using Is this new substances that they’re using I don’t know perhaps But you see how this field will

revolutionize everything And I believe in the future the leaders in my congrat

will not only be the leaders in economics but in national security as well As a matter of fact that meniscus

sprint the customer for that was the uniformal services university is number one injury to our men and women uniform

are meniscus stickers Now I’d like to talk about who wants to see some

unclassified data right let’s talk about some imagery that we’re getting from NASA As Lou mentioned I was proud to be

a member of NASA’s UAP independent study team We had some very common sense

recommendations One of which that I testified here in the house not to

side of Greg Dzando and others was that we need to go into the NASA archives get

the imagery review it make it public and look at what we’ve got This is an

example that hit the internet not too long ago Is it Tic Tac It’s on Mars I

don’t know I’m not qualified to say but someone should be looking at it or we should be collecting and calling the

data Here’s one that’s even more interesting to me Lunar horizon glow

This is a phenomena that we first saw with the surveyor systems This is a glow that we’re seeing on the

horizon of the moon We saw it with the robotic surveyors of what you see and the overlapping side are sketches that

Apollo astronauts made of this phenomena A glowing dome streaks of light shooting

out from the lunar surface Pretty extraordinary And then most recently

this was my cover spy with the blue ghost system which is NASA’s corion payload

services a wonderful public private partnership to reach the moon with the

red wire Argus cameras We took this image of the lunar horizon

glow What you might hear uh if you go on a NASA website or talk the sun in the scientific community is that this effect

is from dust that has been electrostatically charged and then

levitated to create this impact Now again I’m not saying one way the other

but um Dr should go back to get him credit

Uh Dr Manich I’m gonna I’m gonna mess up his name I apologize It’s in the slides but

a wonderful professor who’s been associating UAB disclosure fund uh and doing work on this topic quietly in

these slides And I can tell you NASA’s own research lad other systems is

putting some big question marks as to even if there is enough dust to create this event which looks unlikely and that

if dust could be electrostatically charged to cause what I mean looks like a second sunrise and that’s not the sun

by the way it’s below a horizon I mean that is an extraordinary imaging and by the way

when I first saw this picture was like stat algae on the moon and what you’re

seeing is light reflect refraction occurring due to I don’t know what So I

don’t know what this is Is it a dome Is it some type of natural phenomena that

we don’t understand or aren’t aware of But I’ll tell you definitely it’s a unidentified and nonless phenomena which

bears nothing and bears understanding and this is good example too of even if it’s a natural or prosaic

phenomena there’s something extraordinary occurred here we should be delicate we should be studying it and

understanding and on the off chance that does turn out to be something extraordinary I mean we need to know

what is occurring here Uh additionally here’s another shot publicly available

from the NASA archives You’ve seen some imagery of the triangular UAVs in the

past What’s that Debris satellites That’s for the moon

right What That’s Apollo 17 We had that picture Images for Apollo 17 A few of us saw

something like that uh last Friday Yeah Extraordinary Sabos Cleon What is it I

don’t know Do you know arm You know what that is Why are we not investigating this And

what I would ask of our brave members of Congress would here is again with

relatively little effort and money we should be leveraging AI and ML to go

into the NAS archives So much of this has been digitized more every day and conduct a review of what’s possibly

available on Eur We spend so much time here justifiably so talking about

classified material what’s being hidden Yet there is a treasure trove of data

that if not a smelly gun certainly is fascinating and worthy looking at and

applying the scientific method to And these images that you’re seeing here and

here’s more of another UAP from Paul or more of potentially Stonehenge strange

structures on the winter anomalies that look like Buddhist temples I’m not

saying necessarily all of these have extraordinary explanations Maybe some of them don’t or maybe some of them do but

it certainly is worth the effort to investigate And we’re not doing that

right now Why Because of the stigma this pernicious stigma that prevents us from

tap it And sir that’s where Ordelia need their help that I have many friends at NASA They’re interested in this doc need

to fight what del into it but they need top cover And that’s why I was so grateful to be on top more about what we

could do either as administrator coming in and this isn’t going to cost a lot of money Yeah This could be done with very

little time very little effort get the results could be extraordinary Finally

as we get back to technology I just wanted to level set relative to what it takes to travel in space Three days to

the moon 7 to 10 months to Mars I can tell you exposure to radiation very bad

trip Quite dangerous and challenging 77,000 years to pox centuri our closest

star I mean that’s worse than my flight I’m rough And then 1.7 million years to

get to where we need some biosures for the first time We’re truly going to explore space we’re going to need some

innovative technology And here we already spent some time discussing the alocub warp tribe This was a Mexican

physicist He did the initial work proving that within demonstrate science

and correct I defer to Eric Davis here but but this is not extraordinary science that the warp drive could exist

The challenge with Alib’s warp drive is that it would require roughly the mass

of Jupiter converted into energy to operate I mean I had a Chevy Suburban

and that was not fuel efficient This would be even more difficult But a

scientist at NASA what was then NASA’s Eagle Works tweaked basically the architecture of the alub it worked at

and perhaps found some ways to get that thousand more the mass of a BW you know

something that we could work with So these are the kinds of technologies that if there is a ribbon exic system or some

kind of extraordinary technology we must have it in board reverse those distances

and have America and our international partners lead in space exploration

Additionally energy I mean if we are sitting on extraordinary technology zero

point energy the casemir effect as we discussed think of the good we could do

in terms of saving the environment improving the economy creating a post

scarcity society It would be extraordinary It would be wonderful And let me just end by saying the reverse of

that is we do not want to fall behind China relative to leveraging

extraordinary technology I don’t know if there’s alien tech out there maybe There

might not be But can we risk falling behind the Chinese and reverse engineer

if there is such ethnology And this is again that the stigma is so pernicious

that I’m sure as its top officials working on this 247 coordinated whereas us separated as

compartmentalized MIT working on it is Caltech working on it No we cannot risk

losing communist China because we can’t take this issue serious

We must not let a lack of vision turn into a lack of freedom Thank you

All right Well thank you for the uh brief presentation folks Um again time is of the essence so I’m going to make

these uh as succinct as possible if I pres that all Yeah absolutely I’d like you to present that and I was actually

questions actually about that So please have a four Uh well I just wanted to say I really appreciate Mike all the work

you’ve done in microgravity and and certainly for you know any of these craft that are both you know that are in

space above the caric they have that access to microgravity should they choose to use it uh at our firm American

deep tech we’re very focused on a number of areas of deep technology including space tech energy and advanced flight

including one of our co-founders cat with vaspera they believe identified a cancer kill switch and I know you work

together We’re talking with her Yeah It’s cancer kill switch in microgravity So just you know for pharmaceuticals

that access to microgravity you see the aging within 9 days and it didn’t take a

year terrestrially for a tumor So that ability to speed up that iteration on

drug development is very important So we’ve got some some really interesting people that we work with a CTO coming

out of NASA a branch chief uh coming out of Space Score some very high growth

entrepreneurs and we also work uh with some leaders you know as our advisers and venture partners in the UAP space

because we see the keys you know of these areas of technology to drive that abundance that competitive advantage you

know and just societal benefit so people like we’re you know we’re fortunate to have as our adviser Hal Kouta uh and

also to work with people like uh Julia Mosbridge and Ryan Graves and Diane

Finchen So I I know that they are active in so many areas of technology uh but

also in UIP and so how did we come in my former roles which which I thank you so

much for that kind introduction which I I’ve completed my roles in the US government where I was the co-chair

alongside NASA of the US space economy inter agency working group we work with

exceptional innovation forward UAP forward and open leaders across the

inter agency And those meetings are public They’re available online US space disruptors day and that was a day of

about uh you know 10 sometimes 12 hours of presentations on in space

biotechnology in space semiconductors US launch uh also UAP

also advanced consciousness AI communications and satellites So there

was uh actually inter agency leadership on that co co-hosted this UAP leaning

content from NASA Space Force

DOE DHHS Air Force these were all very senior people um NSF and SBA So while I

would say uh that in years past before this great movement towards transparency gratitude for those in the room who have

really led that um you know since the 2017 time frame and before time has

changed and innovation is not about unfortunately because we we want

everybody to come along you know we we appreciate you know it’s great once you get beyond 50% Innovation and science

are not about consensus This isn’t we don’t wait to get to 51% This is the the the leaders are are

doing this The fast followers are also doing this And the the reasons why

they’re doing this is because they’re sitting in rooms groups of people We had an extended electronamics group of uh

leaders from across the inter agency and also the private sector and they were

working on advanced energy They were working on advanced communications They

there are funded entrepreneurs I uh at full NSF public awards we funded and I

funded companies working on what the entrepreneurs later described as UAPJ

said or UAP inspired technologies uh one of those actually multiple of

those people have spoken having worked on uh programs that they can’t go into great depth about but certainly others

are undertaking that private sector research where it’s not about it being

classified first and this uh but the point on how do you how do you get your

communications uh back in court to marks you know without dealing with the

40minute latency how do you do that and what are what are the approaches for breaking those barriers How do you

achieve this energy abundance and and now more efficient launch capability So

it was these conversations on what could be achieved and what’s already been in some cases declassified in terms of uh

worked and outcomes or was never classified really led to conversations or we invited in experts who then said

do you want my my extended electronamics uh presentation or you want my UA key

presentation we said you know we’d like both of those and so that what that led to was receiving that tremendous

presentation uh from Hal from Charles Chase and from others and saying

actually uh can can you give this to more people and so they gave that those

types of presentations u to hundreds of people and what we found with those

entrepreneurs was this was the highest level of engagement we ever got in any

fields of science or technology I see people in the audience who are part of it shaking their heads Yes So the

entrepreneurs were so eager and scientists to engage in the UAP uh

science and technology and as a frame of reference when we talk about disruptive technology I’ve worked with a few of

them because I’ve had the opportunity to fund around 400 companies to work with thousands of entrepreneurs those

companies from just a quarter billion a quarter billion plus put out have gone

on to raise 8.5 billion in fall one financing and 17.5 billion ion in total

market cap just in the early years That’s coming out of a place that the program which is not the UAP program but

a program that has catalyzed well over 350 billion dollars you know from well

less than 20 probably 12 billion put out over several decades So these entrepreneurs often times these highest

growth ones regardless of what they’re working in it can be batteries they’re

told never going to work or you will have batteries right people will say higher performing battery here’s why

it’s not going to work so these entrepreneurs are used to being told no and why not and they still built things

and what’s happening today not just in America but around the world because the first time I saw these experiences was

overseas is people are seeing ultra advanced craft that are higher

performing And for people that are building the highest performing craft and the highest performing energy they

are not trying to unsee what they have seen you know and that they caught on a a wide range of sensors There is the

classified sensors and then there’s the sensors like this We have imagery you

know on our phones uh from going out and and seeing things So I think that the uh

the impetus to build things is what’s driving this and what would be the right

levels to really go after this You know this is something that a few of us have spoken about but uh my background is

also as a strategist so we we do a lot of strategy now and uh I used to be at

BCG and the question of if you’re building the highest performing systems

what type of resources would you put in place so if we look at you know we and

I’m I’m sharing kind of casually Google numbers so you get we can get to better definition but how much money went into

the ISS our long-term inspace laboratory Some of the numbers online made that it

was well over 70 billion for the US part of that and that with other nations

contributions it might be 150 billion What was the cost of the Apollo program

That was 26 billion you know uh you know from the ’60s to the ‘7s Uh some

estimates put that at inflation adjusted well well over 200 perhaps $250 billion

So if you were to ask me today what is the right amount of money to be

investing in these ultra high performing technologies these Manhattan style

projects It’s well into the hundreds of billions of dollars That’s the right

answer today Whether the US makes that investment or whether somebody else does

we are talking about advantage for multi-trillion dollar markets So some

would say perhaps we made the right investments over time that we’ve invested those tens of billions of those

hundreds of billions And if we have how do we celebrate the accomplishments that

might come out of those programs How do we give the recognition to those scientists those people who have served

who perhaps have not been able to speak about their work How do we derive value

from that How do we say these pieces that might have been constrained because you didn’t have access to the tools

everybody else has access to on the outside and the collaboration how can we bring the pieces in in a way that is

respectful to national security and increases resilience and and abundance

And I I am concerned I mean I I appreciate it I think many of us want

transparency but also how do we make that so people who may have worked in this want to come forward you know so if

we’re offering them oh you built something you give the resources and here’s some punishment that that’s going

to be hard to get the technology out How you know and there’s lots of ways that that could be brought fully it could be

anonymized into a centralized clearing house If there is valuable technology

there that can help people in the United States and around the world let’s celebrate what’s been built and let’s build the gaps that are there So we see

tremendous opportunity Uh the race is on Some would say those are exceptionally

uh large programs Uh many of us have seen these this wide range of phenomena

be they craft be they orbs these the reason it matters So sometimes the first

time you see this phenomena it’s a point of interest and you say wow you know I

kind of thought there was light bulb planet whether it’s light bulb planet or advanced terrestrial technology but you

you’d think well okay interesting now back to our dayto-day what do we do with this and so a number of us came to

because our core roles were advanced energy advanced computation advanced biology the answer was people who are

working in their core fields of biotechnology ology quantum that they’re seeing some of the potential cast

forward through this UAP adjacent technology Can we classify it today I

don’t know how I mean there are parts that we can say stay away from this due to this risk But the challenge on some

of this is if if you’re to say we’ll classify UAP technology you just got to

stop working on it For people that are familiar with the science and the technology there are elements of this

that are relevant to quantum and quantum entanglement So what does that mean for our national posture on quantum AI is

interwoven with this You talk about microgravity and advanced materials So

do we just not do certain layering or advancement of certain materials because they’ve been found at a crash retrieval

We are not able to walk back because this is so interwoven So saying that UAP

is off limits That’s like saying let’s go home Let’s you know maybe can we still use fire You know maybe you know

let’s look into it you know can you still use rocks So many of the fields of technology would be off limits So

honestly we don’t know how to to you know this idea we don’t once you’re in that you don’t even know it’s like

saying stop using math So the entrepreneurs are getting inspired They’re seeing things and and so this is

kind of humorous to scientists So we both appreciate that people are talking about crash retrievals and reverse

engineering Are there crash retrievals Well are there crashes I mean there’s deer retrievalss where I live I mean a

crash seems a lot more interesting than a deer to pick up And uh anybody who

knows an engineer says the first time you see anything of interest you certainly going to reverse engineer it

So whether that happens inside government programs or whether it happens out of the streets Americans and

people around the world are seeing this phenomena and uh those that build things are saying you know what do we build

together So we we’ve seen these on a number of occasions We brought some high ranking uh scientists down to folks who

were able is in spots where these show up more frequently And uh it’s worth

noting that there are people a number of groups of people who are currently

pulling in or attracting craft you know and other phenomena And some some people

just happen to see them I’m looking around and you saw a lot of these but um so there are people that see these

infrequently There are people who have seen these on a dayto-day basis when

we’ve spoken with scientists you know over the past year or two And so this is this is coming out of places that some

would see as the scientific establishment and can can we talk with us Can we not you know it’s all these

conversations hadn’t taken place as openly When they did what we found was

well we go into rooms and we talk with people who are innovators they’re usually it’s usually 30 to 50% of people

will share that they’ve seen or experienced an almost phenomenon You know sometimes I say “Oh no I hadn’t

seen a UAP.” And then they say “Well you know I did see this orb over a football field and you know it was huge.” And

then so people have seen things and we had to have the conversation with

leaders in science where we said “By the way times have changed There’s all this great work that’s been done towards

disclosure.” And when we started talking to people about it where we might have thought it was one in 20 or one in a 100

seems like it’s more like one in three or two and three or maybe three and three and three people are talking about

it and um so that so we’ve had the conversation which is it is not credible

or viable to act like this isn’t going on So it’s it’s a little we use the

analogy that it’s a little bit like whale watching It’s both normal to if you live by the coast whole length

certainly but if you live by the coast you have access to get out of the water you know there’s a percentage of people

who would have seen whales there’s a percentage who’d have it it’s normal both ways So nothing to feel like you

know special or not special you know regardless but it’s ubiquitous So if you

can’t go in front of a room of people you know if you’ve seen that and it’s

cred and if you hadn’t seen it we said listen people are seeing this they know So to be credible you duty to

acknowledge it’s out there There’s so much data There’s so much people have on their iPhones You know there’s so many

people who will speak to the programs on the high side they’re in but the low side you know is not waiting for

agreement They’re not the fortune one The US government can lead this we can

try to figure out what benefit we have from the great work people in this country and perhaps around the world have done or people are ready to move

forward and uh when I was in government I used to receive proposals I without

going into the details in any of them you know in various fields of technology do people think they were the only no

any idea you have believe me dozens of people were working at the same time so this is something that right now you

both in this country around the world there There are so many people that are being here to build this and a number of

them are already building these things up So just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean that it isn’t happening all

over the place both in this country and abroad So if we need to lead if we want to lead we need to be active So I’m I’m

looking we always listen with respect to innovators and entrepreneurs and I want to thank so many of you for sharing what

you’ve seen Uh there is an opportunity I I I expect more scientists are going to be engaging directly with the phenomena

and as scientists they’re going to be doing experiments and and methods Okay So you want to talk about something that

people talk even less about than UAPs So the the thing that was even more

of a third rail than UAPs is the sources and methods for some of it So as you’re

hearing about there’s number of teams that are working calling this phenomena and they’re talking about all these different things Some of them have these

okay ultra exotic protocols And then one of the one of the groups that we went to

visit with some scientists Their protocol was prayer And it was not some

exotic thing It was the Our Father the Hail Mary you know conversation And I’m not trying to constrain it to any any

denomination or any fake or lack thereof because it I think one of the hesitencies people have is they don’t

they want this to be for everybody and not uh not to be specific or linked to

one thing but source of the methods when we’re talking science there are people through meditation or very you know

dayby-day prayer calling in these crafts you know and these orbs So uh it’s science let’s talk about what it is and

then assess it

open So my first question actually is to you Anna Um so there was a recent

statement by a government official and it kind of went unnoticed I think it was a few weeks ago where they said we are

now regulating space time We have the ability to mitigate space time So I’ll

let that sink in for a moment that was an official statement by a US government

representative He can elaborate on that Well there’s certainly been uh publicly visible funding that has gone into that

And um I I’ll say a couple things before I would say there’s a a much better expert in the audience uh Dr Julia

Mossbridge in terms of uh space-time work Uh also that’s something that Dr

Hal Gout with space-time metric engineering has been very active in Uh so so but plenty of work on that and uh

there there’s a lot that’s going on So the backdrop of that the National

Science Foundation has been under Oh and sorry just one quick thing to say But by the way uh we we also a few of us were

also maybe several of us in the room about over a year ago were on uh the National Mall at the National Academy of

Sciences where it was National Space Week And there were some uh presenters from around the world and that also

included a representative uh from the Chinese government or presumably CCP and

the presentation that they were putting up included requests for we want to work

with people on I believe it was space-time metric engineering uh it was

gravitational control and it was also alien life on planet amongst other

things like renew renewables So the Chinese are literally coming down to the

National Mall and saying hi come talk to us about this you know and

so come on seriously another thing that they said by the way you know in terms

of many of us have been advocating for much higher levels of capital to go into

innovation and also into inspace infrastructure which does not have access to the terrestrial financial

tools like debt Yes So if you buy the house most people they’re making a smaller down payment 20% 5% whatever

they could do more of a minimum in space it’s typically you’ve got to front all of the money up front Can you you’re not

going to build a hospital for the individual patient You need to have the financial model So anyways when I was

trying to figure out what was the space budget for China they wouldn’t tell me But um the the gentleman didn’t look at

me and disdain and know he’s talking to all of you He said “Well we look at putting up a space

station We view that as that cost the same amount of money as putting down a couple kilometers of metro.” Basically

we’re going to do that all day every day So if we can’t figure out how to make the investments to win in

these transformational markets for abundance for societal benefits and for

economic growth and gain uh we’re going to be left behind So this is a so the people that are moving forward are

moving forward We really hope that the u the US government fortune one um you

know is able to share some of the great work that’s been done you know previously across all these fields but

the private sector is moving forward folks we’re going to have time only two very quick questions we’re

already way over our time and we have to unfortunately surrender this room back over to folks so let me finish I’ve got

two here and then afterward that you want to y uh we’re not going to have time to open up right now for for public questions I

have uh let me get to this real quick and if we could our guest could please keep um the answer as sin as possible Uh

before we actually get to other room um let me start with with you an

um the National Science Foundation has been a fundamental pillar of some of America’s revolutionary technology and

concepts for many decades How can the NSF help the government now concerning

the topic of UABs Well I guess one of the things that’s just publicly visible is that we have

been uh when I was formerly at NSF uh I would just say that there’s lots of publicly visible content of us being

very uh forward on the topic listening to innovators working with strong

colleagues from across the inter agency So I I think that uh NSF has shown and

NSF leadership has also just been extremely supportive So I just want to be very clear I left the government

because I’m excited about building things in the private sector and I only ever received the greatest support and

collaboration from my inter agency colleagues and from the agencies with which I worked who are extremely forward

on all areas of innovation but certainly UAP fits within that including our

publicly visible awards that were made to uh fund UAP science There are plenty

there’s great people that are highway supportive you particularly open very

encouraging thank you Mike um last question you were on the NASA UAP

independent study team my question for you is what were the recommendations of the NASA UAP independent study team and

how those recommendations how should those recommendations be implemented for the

purpose of time of that I’ll book us on to uh those recommendations We already

discussed going through the NASA archives with an AI ML system to get the

date just a few examples of which you were able to show today again which could be quite extraordinary can be at

their companies and we even volunteer to do that work for NASA But the second one and I really appreciate you showing that

photo which was taken by a commercial pond And one of the great disappointments I had when I was on the

UAP Ed study team was I was asking the FAA how many reports have you gotten

your bios Are those reports P archives How are we keeping track of that And I

got P fusion confusion and no straight answers And here I’d like to give credit to Ryan Grazy again uh for suggesting

that we leverage NASA’s aviation safety recurring system ASRS which has been

operating for decades as hundreds of thousands of cases and this is a confidential system where pilots crew

can call in that safety anomalies that they’ve experienced It’s worked

phenomenally We should be leveraging this system for the reporting of U8 It

could be done quickly It could be done efficiently and the amount of data that

we will receive would be amazing Additionally the images that I showed you was from Dudu the commercial neoplot

service program Public private partnerships have driven all of this I’m so excited for the democratization of

space and the data that we will get from that This was just one example today As

SpaceX Blue Origin Redwire other companies move forward all with their own cameras all with their own systems

we’re going to get a lot more data but NASA still holds on to a lot of it So

for example with what I presented we need the raw data We need timestamps We

need data in a format where we can do true epidemic research So if we were

just to do those two things and again they do support from Harvard I think to

push that uh I think ASP will play a tremendously important role and particularly the aviation community and

the commercial space community the amount of data we get I think will completely shift below sophistication on

the stop and I think there’s also um probably the 20 or 30 hours of some of

that uh forward inter agency content uh in space disruptors day and the

ecosystemic futures podcast which we have Diane in the room here today so thank you Diane for helping get that

information on broadb to say though I’m a little less optimistic than Anna our relative adoption in government as I’ve

said during my testimony that particularly academic members of the NASA UAP independent study team were a

threat out threat not for saying UAP are real but for just having the tmerity of

even reviewing the top you can’t be science in that environment and part of

the reason that I’m calling PH to help is there’s still a great deal of skepticism even just at Nancy and

careers that get ended just outing again the Tamar research board so I think it’s

incumbent of all of us to push for real signs objective signs overcome that

stigma Let’s get to the data because our economy and our national security may be depending on and I think you contributed

so much So what I would say is some of the things that you experience you know or that Lou you know and Chris and

others experience there’s that body of having get able to point to those leaders So we had the advantage of being

able to point to your study you know into this prior work So um you know and again I I think there’s the opportunity

for the government but I would say that it’s it’s not there are industries that

move forward that are not um forwarded by the government But I I think just to

be something very important that came out and sometimes if we say oh UAP this UAP that um there’s going to be some

great technologies that come out of that That is very fluffy you know and who cares So I think um something that I got

freaked on in an unclassified just in a formal no classification level

environment and both in in personal capacity but then I later brought that

person in to brief others in the agency Is there a real and meaningful

technologies that have come from these programs And I think with a lot of this information you’re going to see that you

know the story about it has been in the internet for decades perhaps So what I

have though on uh from a very credible source was that yes there are people who

say that this came out of the UAE programs when we talk about lasers and

semiconductors and that was so important you know semiconductors the top 10

companies today a $6.5 trillion industry It we all benefit

from and underpins our global economy That is something that it’s not just oh

maybe we’ll get something It’s that there are tremendous people who have built things you know both in classified

and unclassified environments And uh that’s been you know put out by so many authors and people in the news but

somewhat are in environments that we can say this is taken seriously and those people have told the government that yes

there’s been real advantage on some of these most imported core technologies were coming for crash retrieval and I

think to get the government to take it seriously we need to engage the public we got to get outside the UAP bubble and

damp gar is a tremendous movie age disclosure it’s really blue story in many ways It’s extraordinary from

Selatin J Stratton If we can touch the public if we can get them engaged we can get them the same information that we

just saw I think that would be completely transformative Well let me

since time is up Yes First of all thank you sincerely for your participation It

was fantastic conversation Let me leave a couple thoughts here if I may before we say final farewell Uh one of the

recommendations we made to Congress is the u generation of a national intelligence strategy that would be

complicated on an annual basis just like we do for other of our targets Um it’s a

system that we perfected already and then right on the heels of that a national strategy every year annual

strategy among UAP drone basically any unattributed objects set in our skies uh

we should have a strategy for it We we’re seeing uh both on the combat field

and even in the streets of New York we’re we’re seeing technologies that we we can’t really explain and frankly

could be used against us in a very nefarious way if we don’t get a handle on it Um two what I’d like to do is

propose and and hopefully Congress at some point will be open to this that we should do a format every year for the

American public and for the media and allow Congress to get to uh the vibe of things and ask the questions that they

normally wouldn’t be able to catch and bring in the Department of Justice the intelligence community the power and

defense and do them all year Why not right Sitting down here in front of American people by well look at it

you’re paying their their their paychecks and boys right they kind of owe you some answers and they will come for some answers Um I would also say

please let your members of Congress know that you support this If you like what Representative Berles and

Representatives Luna and Mered and others have done here today let them know right They need to hear this and so

other members of Congress can see this and say “Hey that works right?” Tell

them that they need to hear that feedback unless you don’t want it at these again

Um but that would be my suggestion Last but not least I want to thank specifically our members of Congress Uh

because at the end of the day they’re your representatives They represent this country They are very much part of this

country And they are the reasons why you are all here today We are here They have

facilitated this They have sponsored this They’ve gone out of their way to put their political careers potentially

Jeffrey Freeman having this conversation for you So um if you appreciate

this let us know And last but not least thank you to every one of you Again our friends in the media the folks that came

over here some cases uh came from across the world and traveled here very long

distances to be with us here today Thank you very much um is very meaningful and we are on a

yearly spending of Bedford So with that said let’s give a round of applause to our guest here

and a huge round of applause for

Metro So with no further urge you uh this meeting

 

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i appreciate actually read your book directly so appreciate you for being here as well and all of your hard work

as you know up until really the last congress I think it was

repres we do have an opportunity right now where we are seeing not just complete and a complete push for

transparency out of the current administration on this topic but also we have bal and

on this so thank you very much for your help and then also to the experts and people being here today to testify and

really to tell us and help us out with us again this is a community

effort this is not just you know Democrat Republican even just an American thing right there’s a massive push for this for good reason we know

recently in working with the National Archives they were able to actually update on the archives website all

things UAP there will continue to be documents scanned and updated and be on that task a chief citizen journalist can

actually go forward do the research yourself help us ask the tough questions and then I can also tell you that we

have posted dates for the next UAP hearing we are going to be doing two one is going to be government focused we are

asking various appointees I don’t want to release the names yet but we have been getting good response on them we

will make those known soon as well as military and former military will be

coming forward also to note that we were told um by one of Mr burles staffers

that’s helping us out this investigation about someone that wants to come forward in regards to a crash retreat program so

that’s pretty interesting to hear someone going on record about that obviously we’ve had a lot of people try to dispel the research that the

community has done and so we’re just really

Thank you i first want to just say thank you again to Tim for leading the charge

on this when it wasn’t when it wasn’t popular it was diffult and it took a lot

of courage and we I just wanted to I want to say thank you to Anna for her leadership and I’ll tell

you she is amazing to work with she is very humble in her attitude and her approach she doesn’t uh she likes

to let people other people join in the credit she is a very gracious

good i want to say thank you to everyone that has come

forward from to Mr to Mr brush and others have taken over

Mr graves here who have done taken a bold step and and the risk of their

reputation and their career there’s a lot of people that have sacrificed their career in order to get information out

to the American people we grateful for as well for the cooperation with Tulsa Gabard um whose

director’s initiative group is actively harmonizing classification guides to facilitate responsible releases she been

she’s been very effective with JFK assassination records and others and then the last thing I want to say is

that this is not a one-time thing this will not be it’s clear this is not a one

time data dump this is this is a systemic change to the process and the way that we are transparent with the

American people and with that we’re working on legislation that will that

will put that into practice and again thank you for everyone for being here i’m looking forward to today’s hearing

thank you all for being here i’ll be very brief lou thank you for the introduction thank my colleagues up here

for their kind words i’m not sure what that’s all about think I’m buying pizzas after this thing

they’re crazy i got a daughter that rides horses i don’t know how I’m going to get home

today but it is a pleasure being here and I want to thank the people that are that are sitting right there some dear

friends of mine people in the media and elsewhere that are always kind to me we

don’t agree on a dumb thing politically but we do agree that this is the biggest

cover up of our lifetime and we need to get to the bottom of it and I want you

fellow folks to know out there that we believe and for so many years people

that believe like we do have had to live in the shadows and when you bring it up

you get criticized and people uh say all kinds of awful things about you and God

damn I’m over that we know this thing’s covered up and we’re going to blow the

damn lid off of it so thank you all for being here let’s get

on what I’d like to do is uh because uh time is precious especially for the members obviously they have a real job

to do uh this is part of it but they have a whole lot of other responsibilities so with that said I’d like to first begin by thanking

specifically Representative Luna from the 13th district if I’m not mistaken of Florida uh for her leadership uh on this

particular in this particular forum and on this topic this would not have been possible if it was not for Representative Luna in her pursuit of

the truth uh she has a uh she has served her country uh quite

honorably and her husband as well if any of you been in the military may have run across him so on behalf of a very

grateful nation ma’am thank you for what you continue to do your continued service to this nation and that of your family it is greatly appreciated and

your service specifically as well with regard to the military so thank you um secondly I’d like to thank um

Representative Arlson um somewhat newer to this topic than some of the other

folks maybe on the Senate side and even the House side who has also championed truth and transparency within the

American government i would refer to him as a healthy skeptic um which I think is important always keeping an open mind to

speak for itself and in my interactions with Representative Grossman I’ve seen him to be every time and exclusively

honorable and truthful and he is now um I think it’s translated into the form

you see here the media president we’re going to have a very interesting conversation today and again this is

only possible because of the three individuals up here so uh if you have time later on I would I would suggest

you you give him a a good deal of thanks for what he is doing for our nation and last but certainly not least is

Representative Timber from Tennessee who has been spearheading this topic for

quite some time at great personal risk to his political career as most of you know um that’s one thing that

politicians tend to avoid is risk um especially when it comes to election

time and um Representative Bashett I would uh I would probably define him as

um bringing a working man’s perspective a common sense perspective to the bureaucracy we call Washington DC

certainly a breath of fresh air and um a champion for again truth and

transparency for for our government and for our institutions so with that said I’d like to offer a quick round of

applause for them

secondly I’d like to thank the esteemed panelists that are with us here today did you all hear me okay in the back

okay can you adjust your mic i can use my drill sergeant voice if I need to um we’re going to have uh three separate

sessions with panelists uh with extremely distinct backgrounds i am not sure there’s ever

been assembled a panel like this in front of the American people and I I

don’t say that lightly because I’ve been part of a lot of meetings a lot a lot of sensitive meetings both in the intelligence community and within the

national security apparatus um we have elements from academia elements from the

scientific community elements from the national security arena elements from the intelligence community um all

speaking here today to you about what they know regarding the UAP topic um the

assembly here is is dare I say possibly even historic and I’m truly honored to

be with you here today i will be your moderator real quick reminder for our panelists um I’d like to when you ask

your question try to keep it within try to keep it within 3 minutes

eric um if you go beyond that I might have to kind of get the conversation um

directed to some other questions because we do have a lot of panelists and uh I also have a tendency to to talk a lot so

I’m going to try to keep myself in check as well um but panelists if you could try to keep your responses to three

minutes some panelists have for you a presentation so for those who go to presentation we’ll do the presentation

first and then we’ll be followed up with questions and of course uh esteemed members of Congress if you have any questions at any time please feel free

to ask them and we will uh we will certainly have our panelists address those questions for you uh one more

reminder um again a security reminder i know I said it before but for anybody who’s come in here um after uh I’m going

to be asking questions some of those will be very pointed questions for those of you who have a security clearance or

who have held a security clearance I ask that you please be mindful that this is an unclassified venue and not to discuss

classified information um for the record none of us look good in an orange jumpsuit certainly I don’t so we want to

be mindful of that i’d also like to thank the media thank each and every one of you for being here i know this is a

topic that for quite some time was fraught with stigma and taboo would have been considered career suicide for any

respectable journalist to cover this topic just like it is for for politicians uh and our elected leaders

of this nation and um times are changing times are changing because of the evening and so I want to I want to do a

hearty thank you to the members of media who are covering this and last but not least and probably perhaps most

important I would like to thank each and every one of you in the audience each and every one of you that’s tuning in each and every one of you that’s

watching this each and every one of you that might be sitt sitting on your sofa at home or around the dinner table and

are interested in this topic and have asked questions um this is because of

you our elected officials put this on because of you not me and not even our

esteemed guests because of you and that should tell you something that means democracy is working folks that means

transparency is working that means we the people are winning and that’s a lot

that’s that’s profound this is democracy in action and you’re watching it so I

want to thank each and every one of you and I also want to thank real quick the staff here in on Hill that put this help

put this together and coordinate this i know it’s a bit of a zoo um but thank you so much for for being patient with

us and helping us with the audio visual and the media and the seating and it is very much appreciated so with that um

let’s go ahead and begin shall we so I would like to introduce uh the

first of our panelists here is Dr abu Lobe now bear with me because he has his

academic vite it’s probably about 10 pages long so I’m going to just try to truncate a little bit so Dr abu Lobe is

a PhD uh professor of science at Harvard University he is also the head of the

Galileo project he is also the founding director of Harvard’s black hole initiative he is a contributor to Arrow

uh he is also a trained astrophysicist let’s see if we can get

this right director of the Institute for theory

director the Institute for Theory and Computation um and a former member of

the President’s Council on Science and Technology so think about that for a minute right advising the president

um former chair of the board of physics and uh astronomy of the

nationalmies and uh also author of eight books and over 1,000 scientific papers and he is here

before you today by the way none of our panelists are being paid everybody’s doing this um out of their own kindness

and goodness of their own heart the second panelist uh we have here is Rear Admiral Tim Gudet um for those of you

who served in in the Navy know how hard it is to achieve the rank of admiral

right that is no easy feat uh he’s also a former acting administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric

Administration aka Noah former oceanographer for the Navy a advisory

board member of the UAPDF folks here that are helping make this happen um but I’ll tell you

something else about about Tim tim also happened to be one of

uh the Navy officers that was present and pretty during the Roosevelt

incidences uh the Roosevelt reason why I say plural because there are many of these UAP incidents that the USS

Roosevelt encountered in the 2013 2014 time frame uh when she was conducting

military operations in the uh support of the global war on terror and so Admiral

Gaudette I would I would consider indirectly a witness to some degree of

some of the dysfunction that the bureaucracy had overlaid on some of our

servicemen and women in uniform reporting UAP and certainly last but not least is

Dr eric Davis um not only a colleague but a friend and

in some cases even a mentor uh he is a theoretical and applied physicist senior

science adviser at Earth former researcher at the aerospace corporation and now those are just some

of those let me tell you who he really is dr eric Davis was one of our senior scientists during my tenure at ATIP the

advanced aerospace threat identification program and OAP as well

um he was one of our chief chief scientists and by the way he was also part of other legacy efforts before that

working with elements of the US government and I think what you’re going to find him have to say today is going

to be very very compelling um he’s an honorable man he has served his country

time and time again in some cases at great personal expense professionally and personally to himself

uh and probably one of the smartest individuals I’ve ever had the honor privilege to meet in my life and work with

um if you get a chance I’d shake his hand because I would consider him like the rest of these gentlemen a national

treasure um and I think like I said what what he’s going to tell you today is

going to be very interesting so this is why I do the reminder three minutes because even myself I would love to just

let him roll for about three hours um so with that said I think we have a presentation we’re going to present

first by Dr abby Lo so if we can just give him a quick round of

applause thank you so much it’s a great pleasure to be here let us be honest there are objects

in the sky that we don’t understand that’s not the first time

that we don’t understand something you know our knowledge scientific knowledge is an island in an ocean of

ignorance we don’t know what n what 85% of matter in the universe is we call it

dark matter but we invest billions of dollars figuring it out over the past

half century we haven’t yet figured it out my point is simple we should invest

a billion dollars in figuring out what is in our sky and that means developing artificial

intelligence algorithms software that would help us analyze data

from state-of-the-art sensors and in one case if all of these objects

are produced by humans the defense department will have

a new tool to monitor what’s out there in the sky it’s important for national

security however if one out of a million objects came from outside the solar

system the person who finds that object will get the Nobel Prize

it’s a winwin situation we need to invest a billion

dollars in this task and I will mention a few details of

what we can do with it this is a subject that the public cares

a lot about and so it’s one of the unusual opportunities to invest a

billion dollars in science and technology that will make all taxpayers

happy if you were to ask them do they care more about what dark matter is or

whether we have a neighbor that is intelligent from which we can learn

they will tell you it’s the second question that they want the billion dollars to be spent on so to make

taxpayers happy let’s invest the money and if we don’t find any technological

relics from other civilizations this would be a very precious defense system for our country

so I will show a few um slides describing what we have been doing over the past few years in the project that

I’m leading at Harvard University the Galo project what you see in the first

slide is a title of an article that appeared in New York Times

magazine and I was not happy with the content i contacted the editor and said

“If this is the way you describe science how can I believe anything you say about

politics that’s a good thing we can leave now you don’t care.”

[Music] Now Enrico Fermy in 1950 had lunch at Los

Alamos and in his Italian accent he asked “Where is everybody?” And that’s a

question that every lonely person asks and what you tell a lonely person is

don’t be presumptuous your partner will not come to you you are not that attractive you have to go to dating

sites and and Rico Fermy didn’t even build a telescope to look out didn’t

have cameras to check and so saying where is everybody is

arrogant and many of my colleagues in academia argue extraordinary claims

require extraordinary evidence if you read the news you would

conclude that we are not extraordinary there is room for improvement and imagining something like

us on a planet that has similar conditions to Earth is not an extraordinary claim it’s just an

ordinary claim to say under similar circumstances you will get life and eventually intelligent life and most

stars in the Milky Way galaxy 100 billion of them formed billions of years before the sun so we are late for the

party they may have been before us so it’s an ordinary claim that requires

ordinary evidence when people make this statement they also imply that we should not invest any

funds in searching for them and without seeking evidence how can we find them it’s a self-fulfilling

prophecy so my point is that in within the scientific community innovation is

suppressed by people who assume the answer in advance i when I was a kid I was most frustrated

by the adults in the room because I would ask them a question and they would pretend to know the answer and the one

reason I became a scientist is because I don’t care what other people say i don’t care how many likes I get i just want to

figure out the answer based on evidence that’s the way detective works we shouldn’t assume anything but if we

don’t collect data we will never find anything

new now another important point is new scientific knowledge doesn’t fall into

our lab to find the Higs boson the CERN invested10 billion dollars in

the large halon collider to find the first generation of stars and galaxies in the universe the

scientific version of the story the biblical story of Genesis we had to invest $10 million in

the web i was one of the people in the first advisory the design back then the

next generation space telescope my point is in order to find

something new you need to invest resources time and effort it’s a lot of

work you cannot just sit on your chair and figure out the answer the way most people

do and just to give you an example you know we are familiar with

objects that have a positive mass we are also aware that the universe

is not just expanding but its expansion is accelerating so we see evidence for negative gravity gravity that is

repulsive pushing the universe apart and if we have access to a negative mass

just like there are positive and negative electric mass the total mass would be

zero this object would float under the gravity and you wouldn’t

need any fuel you would move it around so when they look at Starship our best

rocket whoever has an access to a negative mass would would laugh at it we are putting most of the mass in the fuel

of the rocket it’s a huge gigantic thing and if they had access to a negative

mass that would not be necessary you would just use the payload plus a negative mass that balances it just to

give an example of something beyond our knowledge if negative masses exist or not we don’t know if you can bottle this

dark energy that fills up the [Applause]

universe thank you now the Galileo project at Harvard

University that was established a few years ago and it followed the first

report from the office of the director of national intelligence to Congress and I suggested also to NASA

just around that time that they should look into that uh this is a subject

where the intelligence agency cannot really make a lot of progress on because

the data is limited so why not build observatories monitoring the sky the sky is not classified astronomers have been

looking at the sky for a while the oceans are not classified we just need sensors and then analyzing the data with

the state-of-the-art AI software that’s all we need so this was not happening and

you know I’m sort of I’m not happy with looking at past reports because when you

look at past reports you have very limited data and you can’t make a lot of

progress if the data is fuzzy you can’t really get it to be crispier but if you

have a working observatory that monitors the sky all the time all the oceans and

you see something unusual you can try and collect better data and

therefore I always say the best is yet to come if we were curious enough and

that’s what we should be we can collect data forget about the hundreds of reports from the past and have a

collection of millions of objects that we look at that’s what the Galileo project is about

and in the future we can get very good data with equipment that was never tried

before because astronomers usually focus on a small part of the sky and look at things that are far away they ignore

objects flying overhead and the Galileo project has developed an observatory at

Harvard University first that monitors the sky in the infrared optical radio and audio and as

of now we are actually doing triangulation we have multiple units that look at the same object from

different directions so that we can figure out the distance the velocity and the acceleration of the object that’s

extremely important and we are building additional observatories

uh one in Pennsylvania another one in Nevada hopefully by the end of the

summer we’ll have three observatories collecting data on a few million objects

every year and I say even even if one in a million is of extraterrestrial origin

that would be the biggest discovery that humanity ever made it would mean that we have a partner we shouldn’t assume

anything about the neighbor but it would be useful to

figure out what they are capable of because we can do better they’re

probably more advanced than we are if they reached our backyard before we reached their

backyard so we collected data on many uh

by now millions of of objects we analyzed it and obviously we are happy to share

the data with whoever is interested

but also over the past decade the first objects from outside the solar system

were discovered for the first time by astronomers there were three of

them the first was identified by US government satellites that are monitoring the Earth for any ballistic

missiles being launched by adversarial nations and in 2014 they noticed an object that

collided with Earth and exploded with a fireball that released 1% of the

Hiroshima atomic bomb energy and they decided it’s not

humanmade and therefore it can be shared with astronomy community so NASA

published a catalog of all these meteors over the past decade and uh one of them

was this one we looked at the catalog and uncovered it and realized that it came from outside the solar system

because it was moving very fast it was moving faster than 95% of the stars in

the vicinity of the sun outside the solar system and so the question is was

it a Voyager like probe because it’s moving so

fast or maybe just a rock from another star that was the first one and then the

second one in 2017 was a much bigger object the first one was half a meter in

size the second one was the size of a football field it didn’t collide with Earth it would have been catastrophic if

it did because it would have killed us all but it passed near Earth within a

sixth of the Earth sun separation it was observed by a telescope in Hawaii

monitoring near Earth objects because we are all afraid of what happened to the

dinosaurs right we don’t want to have the same fate and they realize this

object is moving too fast to be bound by gravity to the sun and they called it omua mua which means

a scout in the Hawaiian language now this object at first was

thought to be a comet but there was no cometary tail around it no gas or

dust and then it exhibited an excess push away from the

sun without any rocket effect of acting on it and

moreover it was it had a very extreme shape most likely flat like a disc based

on the reflection of sunlight the amount of sunlight reflected from it changed by a factor of 10 every 8 hours as it was

tumbling very unusual object so it wasn’t clear it’s not an

asteroid it’s not a comet what is it and I suggested well maybe it’s a space

trash an empty trash bag from another civilization so that was

2017 and then oops and then there was

Oops I’m not sure okay then there was a comet which looked just like the comets

that we are familiar with in 2019 also came from outside the solar system based on its speed and my colleagues said well

this one looks familiar so doesn’t it convince you that the others are also natural and I said well if you go down

the street and you see a weird person and after that you see a normal person it doesn’t make the weird person normal

so um MUA was really strange most likely

flat and um it’s not clear what it was i suggested maybe it’s a very thin object

pushed by sunlight reflecting sunlight and in fact a lot of

technological debris that we produced is being pushed by reflecting sunlight

in fact I’m not sure what okay in fact the

the space trash that we produce on January 2nd 2025 just this year an

amateur astronomer noticed an object passing near Earth and it was cataloged

as a near Earth asteroid 17 hours later it was realized oh this

object moves exactly the same way as the Tesla Roadster car that was launched by

SpaceX in 2018 Elon Musk it is the It is a car it’s not It’s

not an asteroid they removed it from the catalog and I actually have a bet with

Elon i am willing to put 1% of my net worth

against 1% of his network to search to check if there is

any other space entrepreneur who is more accomplished

than he is since the big bang 13.8 billion years

ago let’s figure it out it’s not a lot of money for him and then uh actually in 2020 there

was the same telescope in Hawaii that discovered the Wua discovered another object that was pushed by reflecting

sunlight and then after a few weeks the astronomers realized oh that’s a rocket booster from a 1966 launch by

NASA so we know that some of the objects that are unusual being pushed by

sunlight are humanmade the question is who produced Mua

Mua and my point is that the next Copernican revolution remember Copernicus realized

we are not the physical center of the universe i actually visited Poland

uh a year ago uh a day after visiting the Munich Security Conference where I spoke as the first

astrophysicist that ever by the way I saw on the roof of the hotel at the

Munich Security Conference there were snipers with the black head covers they were there to protect the politicians i

realized being an astrophysicist is really very fortunate but nobody wants to kill

me but then at any event it’s overrated

um the next Copernican revolution is that we are not at the technological

center of the universe we have something to learn from a smarter kid on our

cosmic block and I wrote a paper a couple of months

ago where uh I explained that with a space telescope we can actually go

through the million objects roughly meter in size within the orbit

of the earth around the sun that came from outside the solar system and figure out whether among them among all the

rocks there is space trash from other civilizations because over the past

billions of years they predated us and they pollute included installed space because we sent out five probes voyager

1 Voyager 2 Pioneer 10 Pioneer 11 and New Horizons they are heading out of the

solar system towards interstellar space we did it over 50 years just think how many more we would produce in the next

billion years uh and all of that keeps accumulating like plastics in the ocean

all of this trash produced by other civilizations and we just have to look in our backyard and figure it out again

a billion dollars will go a long way in this direction but right now this

subject is outside the mainstream of astronomy instead the the

highest priority defined by the Decal survey is to to to spend more than $10

billion in the search for microbes for the molecular fingerprints of microbes in the atmospheres of

exoplanets and frankly I am much more excited about finding

intelligence than finding microbes for a simple reason that we can learn from a

higher level of intelligence one reason I seek intelligence in interstellar space is because I don’t often find it

here on Earth and you may ask where is where

will Voyager be in a billion years it will be on the opposite side of

the Milky Way galaxy so if most stars formed billions of years before the sun

we know that for a fact they had I mean there were civilizations like us out there they had

plenty of time for their spacecraft to reach us and we haven’t really checked

until the last decade we didn’t really know about interstellar objects so I’m saying this is new now the meteor the

object that collided with Earth was interesting because for a cost of $1.5

million that I received uh from a donor we were able to go to the Pacific Ocean

and search for materials left over from this interstellar object it exploded

only 20 km above the surface of the ocean and uh that implied that it had

material strength tougher than all other hundreds of meteors in the NASA catalog

so it was unusual in its material strength in its speed and the question was could it be a Voyager like Meteor

could it be a Tesla Roadster car like Meteor because that car actually will

collide with Earth probably in several tens of millions of years and my colleagues if there are if there are any

astronomers at that time they might argue it’s a rock of attack that we’ve never seen

before so actually the US space command looked back at the

data after I reached them through the White House and they confirmed yes this

meteor actually came from outside the solar system the data was reliable and

they also released uh the light curve of the explosion that indicated how much energy was released

and at what altitude was the explosion and so I decided to lead an

expedition to the Pacific Ocean we went there uh slightly less than two years

ago and what you see here is the deck of the ship that was fittingly called

Silver Star uh we built a sled with magnets on both sides and we placed on

the ocean floor which was a mile deep and we surveyed a region that is 7 miles

in size looking for any molten droplets left over from the explosion just to

figure out was it a natural rock or maybe a

gadget and I told my students before I left if we find a gadget and it has

buttons on it should I press a button the opinions were split half of

the class said please don’t do that he put all of all of us at risk and the

other half said “Please do we would like to see if it’s judg.”

Um so we brought back materials um and it was a two-eek

expedition i put the this all the materials in this black suitcase and shipped shipped it by FedEx to to my

home and then brought it to the laboratory of my colleague at Harvard Stein Jacobson

uh who has is a worldrenowned geocchemist that has the best instruments in the world and on on the

other side of me in this photo is the summer intern Sophie Berstroom who worked with me that summer and she

discovered 850 molten droplets within the materials that we brought back and I uh gave her

the honorary title the sperl hunter and you can see here what these

molten droplets looked like they were very distinct relative to the background sand and we picked them up with

tweezers and published the results and so there was one type of those molten

droplets about 10% of the entire reservoir that looked very unusual they

had a composition a chemical composition that was very different than solar system materials up to a thousand times

higher abundance of burillium lanthanum uranium than you find in solar system

materials and so that’s a possible indication that we found some material

from the original object but we want to go back and search for bigger pieces with a

robot that we will put on the ocean floor it will cost $6.5 million we don’t have a fund the rest of yet if anyone is

interested in joining us let me know this is an image from the last day of the previous expedition where I was

standing on the ship looking at the sunset and next to me is an 88 years old

Art Wolf Art Wright who was um a

commander of a destroyer during the Vietnam War and I really liked him

because he wouldn’t speak much he would solve problems and everything he said was true

and there aren’t many people like that these days what you find most often are people that are virtual

signaling that are trying to impress you that’s partly the culture of social

media but this mission was a success thanks to

art and he reminded me of my father i really liked him now this year this in August 2025

there is a new observatory in Chile that was funded by the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation it’s

called the Vera Rubin Observatory and it will survey the

southern sky every four nights and could find more like objects every few months

if they are out there and now we know to look at them in much greater detail we

can use the web telescope to do that and this telescope will use a camera that

is 3.2 2 gap pixels in resolution so a thousand times more than the number of

resolution elements you have in your cell phone so I’m very excited about the coming year or two uh we will have new

results from the observatories that the Galo project is building we will have potentially a new expedition where we

can look for bigger pieces of this first interstellar meteor and the Ruben Observatory might find more like objects

but if we really want to make fast progress we need more funds if I had a $100 million or a

billion dollars I know exactly what needs to be done and we can make we can get much better understanding of our

cosmic neighborhood as I said before u this the

software that we developed would be of great use to the Department of Defense thank you

[Applause] very followed very quickly by uh Admiral

Gent he’d like to say a couple words and we’re going to try to make this uh brief so we can go ahead and uh start getting

to some of the questions sir thank you very much just great to be

here and representatives Luna and Berles and Brett appreciate you giving us all

an opportunity to to share what we want to share and say what we want to say about this important topic of UAP so

I’ll be about five minutes here maybe a little less but today I call on the American scientific enterprise to

mainstream UAP research and development and to do that properly I should first begin by assessing the current state of

UAP research there are a few brave individuals and organizations conducting such research including professor AI

lobe through the Gallo project at Harvard professor Diana Pasila at UNCW

Drs gary Nolan and Peter Scayfish the Soul Foundation with Stanford University

doc Professor Jeffrey Krypal with the Archives of the Impossible at Rice University and the Scientific Coalition

of UAP Studies but these are by far the exception for UAP research and

scientific study is shunned by the American science community red large even with dozens of credible former

military witnesses coming forward as well as legislative action from Congress in recent years the stigma remains too

great to jeopardize the reputation promotion potential and tenure of those in academia

to better understand this resistance it might be useful for me to describe the state of climate science in this country

where the complete opposite is occurring as a former administrator of the National Oceanic Atmospheric

Administration with a PhD in oceanography I have studied the changes occurring in our Earth system and while

they are indeed significant and I am by no means a climate denier climate change is is far from the existential threat

that the mainstream media and some in the science community claim it to be a false narrative has been propagated that

global warming caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases is the cause of every severe weather event on any given day

this is mainly the result of the large number of scientific studies that employ extreme and implausible emission scenarios lacking the expertise to

critically evaluate such studies the average citizen is readily accepted such misinformation conflating every extreme

weather event with climate change is imprecise incomplete and incorrect the most glaring examples come around every

hurricane season for which satellite data over the 50 years shows there’s been no trend upward or downward of

these storms the same goes for wildfires where news coverage always links climate change to their occurrence but wildfires

have actually been increasing in this country so even the intergovernmental panel on climate change has been unable

to conclusively detect changes in extreme weather and climate event frequency and intensity however saying

that we are not in fact in a climate crisis is heresy the mainstream media and the global science

community this is the situation with UAP but in reverse ample evidence even

congressional testimony attest to the scientific validity of UAP but the response by members of the scientific

community has been either a to bury their heads in the sand or b to make baseless mockery of the courageous

contrarians like Professor Low who seek the truth why is this so well the reason

is partially uh due to overclassification and a deliberate

decadesl long disinformation campaign by the US Department of Defense and intelligence community unlike climate

change UAP and the non-human intelligence which control them very well could be an existential threat as

our moderator Lu Alzando eloquently described in his book aptly named imminent the scientific community needs

to wake up to the reality of UAP which represents the most monumental development since the Capernac

revolution consider the extraordinary report I received this weekend when a

former US Navy S860 Seahawk helicopter crew chief who was embarked on the

carrier USS Dwight D eisenhower in 2021 described to me his reporting on

forwardlooking infrared video of a metallic sphere at an altitude a few

hundred feet above the ship traveling along a linear trajectory horizontal the sea surface before it accelerated into

the horizon at an incredible speed disappearing completely upon landing uh

he discussed this with some of the pilots and the other air crew before transferring the flur footage to the

carrier’s intelligence officer moreover this was not an isolated event for the Eisenhower strike group during that

deployment saw many many instances of UAP primarily F-18s frequently

encountering them at high altitude and uh and this topic was

widely discussed by the airwing during the entire deployment and later fellow air crew members of this this crew chief

uh from another squadron deployed on board the USS Gerald R ford and shared similar experiences

the crew chief also informed me that the secret laptops in their ready room provided access to a share drive where

numerous UAP sightings on Fleer were archived they stored these videos on a

folder named range fowlers you’d like that Ryan and uh and his commanding

officer and safety officer were aware of these incidents but there was an unspoken understanding not to discuss

them openly in the ready room i have spoken to other sailors still in active duty and their sightings as UAP have

become so numerous that they are desensitized to the phenomenon my point being that the Navy possesses a trove of

video evidence and data regarding UAP and I see no reason why flur footage of

UAP and Navy training ranges could not be declassified and shared with the scientific community with open access to

more data like this we could transform every institution of higher education by establishing a Galileo project within

their astronomy and astrophysics departments a sole foundation with their within their bio medicine and humanities

programs and an archive of the impossible in their religious studies and philosophy curricula to close I

point out that last month at the endless frontiers conference in Austin the president’s science adviser Michael Gracios committed the Trump

administration to creating a golden age in American innovation i’m convinced

that UAP research can not only support this but accelerate it in ways beyond

our imagination the time to destroy the stigma associated with UAP is now i ask

the House Oversight Committee and other members of Congress to demand the DoD DOE DHS and NASA release more UAP data

for open science and I call on the White House to include UAP research in this 2025 R&D priorities memo thank you all

thank you very much so going to get to our first

question here and uh it is not scripted and it is to uh my former colleague Dr

eric Davis um and be very careful how I ask this

specific question welcome Mr gold good to see you as always sorry

um Dr davis I I know your background and I know your work uh in our former

program the advanced aerospace threat identification program i also know to some degree some of the history and

firsthand experience you have on UAP i believe that this committee uh and the

esteemed members of Congress and the American public would love to hear to

the degree you’re able to discuss it the direct access you had um for those who don’t know Dr davis was and I’ll let him

answer this was it was submitted into into into the matter of record for Congress a couple years ago the Wilson

Davis memo it was alleged that he was the author of it and if you don’t know

what that is I encourage you to look it up it has been entered as a matter of public record in the congressional

record and it is extremely significant um this is the man i won’t

say he did or he didn’t i’ll let him tell you um who offered that potentially and

furthermore I know has had involvement in the UAP program specifically from a

crash retrieval perspective now I’m going to be mindful here uh Dr davis please be careful of security classification but do you mind sharing

to the degree you’re comfortable with your involvement with information related to crash retrievalss and

um and your experience sure

thank you i’ve been uh I’m an astrophysicist and also a what we what

Mark Jones at NASA and I called the breakthrough propulsion physicist worked on breakthrough propulsion together from

1996 to 2002 and then we continued after that to develop a book that we published in the AIAA press in 2009 uh frontiers

of propulsion science so my background is in uh advanced deep space and interstellar space flight mostly faster

than light propulsion through the use of general relativity theory and quantum field theory as well as advanced nuclear

propulsion like nuclear fision and nuclear fusion and um beamed energy propulsion which I worked on as a

principal investigator for the air force research lab at Edwards Air Force Base so I’ve got quite a broad background and

I began my work in UFOs uh or UAP starting in 1996 when Robert Bigalow

hired me to work for him as his director of aerospace physics and astrophysics at the National Institute for Discovery

Science and that was a um that was a pretty transformative job for you

because as a physical scientist I’m seeing for the first time odd phenomena i’m investigating it using forensic uh

science techniques in the field interviewing witnesses collecting data and I have a team of uh colleagues on

the staff that I work with also PhDs and we had a world-class science advisory board which uh my former boss in Austin

Hal was on the was was on the board of was on that science advisory board and was the last chairman of that board

actually we also had Apollo 14 astronaut Ed Mitchell and for a short time Apollo

uh 17 astronaut Jack Schmidt and uh we had many uh many academicians and former

CIA national intelligence officers uh social psychologists psychologists

medical doctors um and nuclear engineers and the list goes on we had shock

bullying primarily as well so uh it was a really transformative because I grew

up in the 60s and 70s and I became familiar with Carl Sean carl Sean and uh

strongly important page co-authored a book called uh UFOs a scientific debate which was published by the tripleas

press um the tripleas is the American uh association for the advancement of science and science is their prestigious

journal that they publish and um so that was a prestigious publication every

chapter was authored by experts in the field in academia who have studied UFOs and some angle of it from a scientific

data uh standpoint data that was collected data that was analyzed and so

they presented it in homes uh for a bizarre reason in the 1980s Carl Sean

had this wonderful astronomy show called Cosmos and the companion book for that

and what’s ironic is that he changed 180 degrees he all of a

sudden went from being UFOs we have in this book that I co-authored or

co-edited with Martha Page uh all this wonderful data that’s been collected that is not explainable due to

conventional astronomical ical weather or man-made explanations or events or

objects uh I’m I’m now calling it um pseudocience it’s fringe science people

are mistaken pilots uh have poor vision uh military pilots especially and I’ve

heard that from Leonard David who’s a sc a aerospace engineering aviation space

exploration writer and uh people like him have said that our military pilots

especially the ones at the USS Nimmits during its encounter of the tic tac UAP back in November of 2004 oh yes those

pilots have poor vision they’re flying what $20 million fighter

aircraft they war vision how did they get through the naval aviation program and top gun school with war vision uh Dr

davis could you could you elaborate a little bit on your again to the degree that you’re comfortable oh I so so it

was a transformative uh issue for me or or a job it transformed my worldview it

opened up my worldview uh to a lot more possibilities than what I was used to thinking as a trained PhD physicist i

earned my doctorate in astrophysics at the University of Arizona in 99 and so um I worked on three space missions in

graduate school the uh IOS which is the infrared astronomical satellite program and the two voyage missions to the other

planets so as pertaining to the topic that Lou wants me to talk

about I’m not trying to avoid it it is a sensitive subject

um so uh it’s due to astronaut Ed Mitchell um Dr dread Mitchell captain

USN retired because of him and I won’t go into a long story but it’s because of him that I got on the trail of looking

for the so-called uh legend within the UFO community uh of the retrieval of

crashed or landed UAP craft or UFO craft as they were known back in those days and by the way UAP the term unidentified

aerial phenomenon goes back to the 1940s even so um so I followed this trail and

I ended up over the course of the following two and a half decades working for Bigalow working for

the Air Force Research Lab working for Halov attech international incorporated

uh and then uh and then working at the Aerospace Corporation so we’re we’re

working in a combination of industry and classified programs that we were contracted to do on behalf of the uh for

the Defense Intelligence Agency and for the Pentagon agencies that Blue worked at and the UAP task force that J

Stratton led uh at the Office of Naval Intelligence and so uh a long story

short is that I came into contact with industry leaders technical scientists

uh both active duty and later retired as well as intelligence officers generals admirals colonels uh people who directed

intelligence or human intelligence collection and analysis directorates at the DIA and the Central Intelligence

Agency who uh reached out to me to have me do some foreign UAP uh intelligence

analysis and assessment and so uh I have been exposed to so much in the classified realm that

I can tell you definitively that there is a there there uh the human race

basically the world biggest governments uh like the United States our adversary

China and Russia at least as far as I know have had the uh occasion to recover

craft that have either landed or crashed or both uh in their territory or even outside of their territories and have

taken those back to their more the most sensitive of their programs that they’ve ever had these programs are uh even more

sensitive and more well- hidden than uh the Manhattan project was or or the modern nuclear weapons industry and and

the US military and the department of energy programs to uh maintain and and

upgrade and modernize our nuclear weapons arsenal and so um this is one of

the this is one of the most well-hidden programs it is hidden from congressional oversight and always has been and it was

hidden by the action of President Eisenhower who instituted presidential emergency action directives during his

administration these directives are not shared with Congress they were classified and when the Freedom of

Information Act was instituted in the 70s and is not subject those are not subjected to the Freedom of Information

Act uh request um this these directives provide cover for actions that are

associated with the with the retrieval of these vehicles and the uh and the

scientific and engineering study of them and that takes place within the industry

um what happens is the department of defense offices CIA offices they create

shell companies they give a sole source contract to the shell company who passes the money to a selected group of uh

defense industry firms and those firms will take that contract money and turn them around and uh use that as internal

things called internal research and development funds which they give to their own people inside their company their own employees to do the reverse

engineering um analysis and study of of these recovered vehicles and so this

avoids all congressional oversight it avoids the game bait and um it’s one of

the most clever techniques used to hide it and as far as I know only one fourstar general uh and one three star

admiral were able to locate these programs and um and that’s about as much as I can say they located the programs

uh and they uncovered them one got a lot of resistance and hostile reception and

was uh told that uh he found who he was looking for they were who they were

suspected of being yes they were a UFO UAP rash recruitable and reverse engineering program the other one uh had

a lot more political power behind him because of his statue as a four-star general and uh he was able to get into

the program and uh use his authority and his access i think they call that

a super user the super user have access to all way specialized access programs

so he had his capability available into that whole thing uh I was fortunate to meet Dave Drush at the behest of um Jay

Stratton dave was a NRO liaison officer to the UAP task force and Dave was

working for his boss at the NRO which is situated in the second force gifts uh of

the aerospace corporation building Colorado Springs and I was assigned to work at the aerospace corporation

facility in Huntsville Alabama because I was supporting NASA’s space nuclear propulsion program office so uh Jay put

Dave and and Dave’s uh boss and I together and I briefed them for two and a half days just the week before COVID

struck and uh Dave took all of my classified and proprietary information

of all the investigations I did at NIDS AFRO and working for uh helping up

attem of that was his classified missile war to the IG of the IC and um so there

is an error there there we have had this program going on in various guides various code names code names change

roughly every 3 years um they often shift around due to major office and

programmatic reorganizations for presidential administration presidential administration maybe every 5 to 10 years

in some cases and so these things are are very old they uh they come in they’ve gone but they’re still around

and uh the amount of money that’s been involved I would say since the beginning in 1944 with the first recovery in Italy

of a of the US Army’s recovery of a craft that crashed in Italy back in 1933

the United States Army invaded Italy and pushed the third Reich out they were able to recover that craft and bring it

back to right airfield and all of the crash retrievals that have taken place generally on land have gone to right

airfield the majority of the crash retrievals or recoveries of whatever uh situation it was uh take place in the

maritime environment and I’m not sure where that is going i think they’re probably also going to write were in

those days right airfield i don’t know where they’re going today though because I’ve only worked on the legacy uh

history of this part of it up until about uh the early 2010s and ever since

the end of the OSAP and the ATIP I don’t know where that those operations are

going on these days so I think that’s about it is that it

there is a question I would always ask and I’ll just say this really easily uh Leslie King and Rob Blumenthal asked me

this for an interview I gave them um in July of 2020 for the New York Times article that they published they

interviewed Lou and uh Senate uh former Senate majority leader Harry Reid i

think Harry was already retired then wasn’t he yeah okay so I said basically

my interface with the leadership at the industry uh which were a number of

individuals is the following the craft that have been recovered are not of the earth they’re not made by human hands

they are not from this planet they are not human they are an aliote technology

whatever the word alien means are they extraterrestrial we don’t know we don’t know uh what motives do they have well

we need anthropologists and social psychologists and philosophers to figure that out because they haven’t communicated that to

us so physicists like me and Abby we cannot answer questions like motive we

just need to take data we call it measurements and signals intelligence in the intelligence industry and Abby I

support 10,000% because we need him to do what he needs to do uapx is another group from the University of Albany in

New Albany New York they’re doing that as well and there are other groups out there building up their own sensor

speeds to try to scan the sky fulltime 247 to look for something that’s eye and

definitely not weather definitely not an aircraft definitely not a kids blue quadcopter

well thank you Dr davis my recommendation would be at some point here to get you in a classified setting

like some of the rest of us had already done that before and have a frank conversation with some of the

representatives who I think would be um very interested to hear the other part of that conversation which I am aware of

and been part of um with that said uh before we go on I

wanted to thank real quick uh Rep nick Pic for uh is that how do you pronounce your name sir I apologize baggage

baggage okay forgive me baggage uh Rep nick Begage uh who arrived uh here just

not too long ago so thank you sir very much uh from from Alabama from Alabama

oh Alaska you like

the

rece has been matched in high resolution in fact some have stipulated that we

have known even more about the surface of our own moon than the depths of our own

oceans concrete mapping campaigns autonomous gliders deep sea sonars or

cabled observatories would give researchers the best chance of

detecting undersea UAP activity up to this point we’ve been discussing about

the stuff we see in our skies and possibly space but the one thing we’ve neglected are those observations of UAP

that are underwater and this kind of goes to the whole trans medium characteristic that

we’re seeing that some of these UAP can display particularly as a former Navy man and uh member of Noah what what what

advice could you offer there thanks L that’s a great question and uh in fact I

would advise us to continue what we started in Trump’s first administration and what we did is we got him to sign

presidential memorandum on mapping the US inclusive economic zone and that

directed the establishment of a strategy a plan national strategy a plan and a

council an area council to contribute to the effort and so in the few we did this

in 2020 and in the five years since we’ve been able to go from having 40% of

our EEZ map to 50% and and it involves not only using ships sonar but also

exploring the water column with deep diving remotely operated vehicles swarms of drones underwater drones i used to

own 120 in the Navy and that that fleet’s growing and uh and Noah has a pretty sizable fleet of of underwater

and surface drones and they partner with the private sector that has a vast capability as well so I’d say I’d say we

really want to ex expand the work that’s already occurring within the government and the private sector and and target it

because most of it is targeted towards ocean science and that’s great but if we open the aperture a bit and include UAP

as a research target I think we’ll learn a lot more about the phenomena as well as the ocean

thank you very much uh the next question we have is uh is geared

towards Dr ailope here and my question for you sir is what is your

recommendation for the new generation of scientists who want to enter into this

field of study but don’t know exactly where to begin yes I actually gave up on the senior

members of our community and I have great hope that the young generation

will approach it without any bias because science is all about evidence and

curiosity and we lose that when we become the adults in the room so for the

young uh people in fact I was asked to establish a gala observatory in a new

stem cell uh campus that will be built in Indiana and I’m very excited about

that because those high high school students and uh fledgling scientists

would be unbiased they would look at the data and try to figure it out that’s the

way science should be done and very often if you assume something if you say there is nothing out there and you are

not looking then obviously that’s a self-fulfilling prophecy so I very much hope that the young generation will

approach these subjects without any stigma without any prejudice without any bias because it’s of great interest to

national security and even if it has nothing to do with what lies outside the solar

system we need to figure it out maybe other nations have technologies

that we are not aware of and if we do find something from

outside the solar system it’s the biggest discovery ever made in science

it will change our perception and our place in the universe i had a group of um

religious people that came and and they belong to Christianity today

and organization and they asked me what would be the implications to religion and I said well I have two daughters and

when the second one was born I didn’t lose any of my love to the first one so

imagining that God can only attend to one civilization is very limited and I think in fact you know it

It would be enriching to realize that we have siblings we might be jealous if they’re more advanced than we are maybe

they get more attention but you know that’s

exciting we may get inspiration from finding something better than us so why

is it that academia the mainstream is shying away from this partly because the

public cares so much about it and you know there are lots of

statements that are not correct being made by people who have no evidence but

that should not be a reason to avoid this subject we should study it and young

people I think have the ability to figure it out if we have the resources

allocated to the research we’ll figure it out we have the equipment it’s much more exciting than figuring out what

dark matter is whether there are microbes on exoplanets which probably

exist in any warm water environment similar to Earth

i’m willing to bet that there are microbes but I don’t care much about them i really want to find things that

are better than us so that we can get better we can improve oursel and the young generation hopefully will do it

for us if we only allocate the resources we don’t block them because the

gatekeepers you know used this technique of not funding such

research ridiculing it and even when I went on the expedition people said oh he

will not find anything oh he went to the wrong place we don’t believe the US

government data from the US space command and my suggestion is just to

ignore the naysayers because they boring

okay I have you all right thank you Dr little i’m going

to make this very quick i know one of the representatives is very short on time but there’s a question I would like to ask in her presence uh the question

goes to Dr davis or Davis um we’ve had discussions at length in certain

settings um in formal official setting and I’ve been part of where we talk about exotic material i think it might

be very helpful to the degree you can can you please explain um what is what

makes exotic material that has been recovered from the US government exotic

what makes it different from atomically and chemically

it’s actually a very simple answer it’s the way it’s fabricated it’s the way it’s fabricated that’s what makes it

exotic it’s not a new element that’s never been discovered uh and placed on the periodic table of elements no no no

uh the materials are in the periodic tables they’re either radioactive isotopes that we already know of or

they’re any of the other non radioactive non-actide elements on the table it’s just the combination of the materials is

unusual uh it could be that you could say that that’s exotic but it’s the

composition it’s how you built the craft the materials that form the craft and

everything inside the craft it’s it’s quite exotic because uh one of the company’s uh leadership was a young

material scientist when he graduated with his doctorate in material science from one of the university uh one of the

uh universities in Illinois back in 1970 and he was hired by Ben Rich to go work

with him and a team at scope works that was the advanced projects a development

agency I think is what blocking aircraft called it back in those days so um so

basically this is what he was telling me he’s a advanced internal scientist and he said well we could use the best

diagnostic equipment we had back in those days uh which was 60 uh 70s 80s

and 90s and um we could see the elements through mass mass spectroscopy that

compose these structures but when we look at how they’re composed and structured uh it’s it’s like nothing

we’ve been able to fabricate on Earth we’ve never been able to reproduce it on Earth and we have no extrapolated

engineering or physics technology to tell us or inform us on how we can possibly learn how to fabricate this on

Earth so they they understood that it’s the combination of the elements was very unusual uh it was counterintuitive but

it’s the way the materials are fabricated that’s what makes it awesome

excellent thank you very much sir um next question is going to go if I can go yes ma’am absolutely yes so thank you

for you guys coming today i have to get going but I am charging Burles and Burchchett um to be here and continue on

while I am not here um but I will say that I mean the stuff that you guys have all told us today mind-blowing and I

think you know going on record is even more important so we are going to invite you back to also time at some point but

I do have to head up to thank you so much for your time and we’ll be back thank you

[Applause] okay so the next question is going to go to uh I’ve got a long list of questions

we’re obviously not going to get to them all and we have to try to stay on track so it’s probably going to be my last question for this and we could go on all

day but we’ve got two other panels we have to get through and there’s going to be some new information for you uh last

question before the break Admiral Gaet um I know that you were privy to the incidents in the U regarding the USS

Roosevelt in fact there’s another distinguished guest we have with us here today Ryan Graves who is a pilot uh who

uh has been very helpful informing Congress about some of the air safety issues because he himself has come up

close and personal with one of these objects whatever they are um could you please provide a brief synopsis on your

experience and more importantly what was the reaction by certain elements within the

Department of Defense and some of your frustration that you experienced regarding that reporting that type of

reporting thanks Louis yes I’d be glad to so at the time of the Roosevelt UAP sightings I was the onestar admiral in

charge of all the Navy meteorologists and oceanographers and I had I had aerographers mates on the ship doing the

weather forecast and and as the chief meteorologist of the Navy my responsibility was safety of flight one

of my main responsibilities and at the time I received an email Navy’s classified system secret system uh and

it was addressed to every subordinate under a command called Fleet Forces Command the Fourstar Command that I

reported to and that the commander of the Theater Roosevelt Strike Group reported to as well as several other

units and attached uh to the email was the Go Fast video that everybody’s seen now and has been declassified and

released to the public uh and the email title was urgent safety applied issue and all capital letters and it came from

the operations officer of Fleet Forces Command asking if any of the recipients of the email knew what these were these

UAP because they were having numerous near midair collisions as as Ryan Graves uh saw firsthand his his squadron mates

and um and then the next day uh that email was wiped from my computer and no one talked about it in any subsequent

meetings of Fleet Forces Command and this was very unusual because the primary job of fleet forces command is

to prepare Navy units to deploy like the theore Roosevelt strike group and that exercise was a critical pre-eployment uh

requirement to get pilot certified to land on the flight deck and so not talking about an emergency safety of

flight issue for example the UAP that split a section of aircraft you don’t want anything to get within a mile of an

F-18 when when it’s operating so that that they didn’t talk about it that was covered up uh didn’t sit well with me

and it’s and that’s the reason I have come out today and or really for the past few years uh to talk about this and

make sure we we support all these reasons to uh to acknowledge uh and and

make be more transparent about UAP activity and data and that’s why I’m on the advisory board of Brian’s American

for Safe Aerospace and we’ve been advocating for the FAA to institute a system of reporting with standards to

get more information out there uh to support safety flight and science

excellent i’m okay uh we have a question by uh Representative Burlson go ahead sir floor is yours yeah thank you um Mr

davis I wanted to ask before you before this panel is over want to pull some threads here the

um what is your understanding of the physics um or the likely propulsion technology

what is your assessment of of what the capabilities are and how it’s being

achieved and then also in what I want to ask about materials and energy as well

uh we can only speculate um these things are so far and advanced uh we can only

speculate the best speculation I can come up with is general relativity does a great job predicting something like a

warp bubble uh UAP do exhibit the phenomenon of sublight or less than

light speed for bubbles um however that’s becomes a challenge when we talk

about UAVs that dive into the ocean and climb up out of the from under the ocean and up into the air so uh warp so it’s

not warping spaceime it’s a warp in spaceime yeah it is that’s described on Einstein general theory

and so the problem is you doesn’t gravity warp spaceime that’s right right

so so these objects are changing space time around them yeah

they you’d have a thin shell of energy and the type of energy has to be would have to be negative energy density and

it would be consistent with the type of energy density that you can create in vacuum and examples of that are the

casemir cavity that has a little vacuum uh uh region that’s bound by the two

plates of the cavity uh there’s also squeeze light squeeze states of light where that’s a laser beam where you’re

going to take uh uh some part of canonical uh noise fluctuations from out

of that part of the beam you’re not interested in and pile it up uh elsewhere in the phase space and this is

getting really technical so so I’ll just kind of keep it this way you’re going to take the quantum vacuum

fluctuations that we know is quantum noise shot noise and laser beats you’re going to pile it up somewhere else uh in

an area you’re not interested in measuring and you only want to measure the amplitude of that beam and at that point when you take the quantum factor

fluctuations out of that amplitude that energy density goes negative and the energy density is the square the

amplitude so that goes negative and um that’s an example of negative energy the

um the mass of the earth creates space time curvature if it was I’m sorry oh I was going to say so that space-time

curvature which we feel it’s the force of gravity on the surface of the earth drags down quantum vacuum fluctuations

of the quantum fields that are out in space near near the earth in the vicinity of the earth and uh that energy

density happens to be negative and so this is an example of theoretically predicted astronomical sources of

negative energy as well as laboratory sources of negative energy so that’s what you would need to build a work and

that’s what you would need to build a uh construct a shell just a brief comment of clarification we have two pillars of

modern physics quantum mechanics and Einstein’s theory of gravity which is

curvature of space time right we don’t have a reliable theory that combines

quantum gravity so what we are hearing is speculation

we do not have the knowledge to figure out if you can create curvature of space

time out of negative energy density because we have never mastered this tech we don’t have an understanding of that

so it’s possible that you know a millennium from now we’ll have those quantum gravity engineers you know

that’s possible currently we just you know we’re just like too primitive

technologically to figure it out the question is is there something in possession of government that the

scientists should look into and you know I would love to to help government figure it out because it may guide us

about a theory of quantum gravity if if we have something yeah so we have good ideas about these things and we can

speculate on uh on what the best approach to take to build the work bubble or the shell

neg which will be shortcut through space time between two distant points but um

we have we have craft in our possession um there are no physicists literally

working in those programs so basically mechanical aerodynamics aerospace thermal control engineers electronic

electrical engineers and material scientists and material science is a part of engineering often uh usually

kind of overlaps chemistry as well and they’ve never had a physicist like him or I uh they’ve never had an applied

physicist or an experimental physicist and so they are really lacking in the ability to understand how these things

work sir the legacy program has been very insulated and insular so unfortunately um it’s it’s a bit of a

forget my approach here but a bit of an incestuous community um there’s not a whole lot of outside involvement because

it is so highly classified and that’s been some of the frustration and I think challenges technologically speaking

because we haven’t been able to recently apply new talent new ideas new theories to what may be u what the US government

may be in possession of what about the energy potential um the

energy is a question we’re seeing right yeah we I haven’t been able to access that dr

davis can you talk for a moment i’m sorry about the Nimtts incident the calculations for the object to go from

80,000 ft within less than a second 50 ft over the water what What type of energy uh requirement we’re talking

about hundreds of times the total electrical energy produced in the United States annually that’s the kind of

energy that is representative of the observed features and performances of

UAP craft especially the Tic Tacs encountered in November of 2004 and uh

so it’s hundreds and hundreds of times what the what the United States produces annually like in electrical power and so

uh that that compares really well with uh interstellar spacecraft that would travel relativistic or ultra ultra

relativistic ultra relativistic being anywhere from 90 to 99% of the speed of

light the energy just is astronomically huge so um these craft uh I have not

been I don’t have the security clearances I need to know to get access to the technical details but I am made

to understand that the craft are consistent in size with the tic tac uh even double in size of the tic tac uh

that would be up to about 100 ft long by uh 50t diameter of that type boomerang

shaped craft um arrowshaped craft triangular shaped craft and so forth uh the biggest one that had been observed

especially that we investigated at mids in 1999 involving the sky air force base that one was a 600 foot long craft and

it was about roughly 100 ft tall and um so they don’t have possession of craft

like that i’ve never been told that it’s usually the more man scale they couldn’t

move so we might know it yeah so uh so we we

can only speculate um I know Jim Casy wrote in his book um uh I don’t remember

the title of it but anyway it was coated with Colin Keller who I worked with at NID and George Nap of KV in Las Vegas

and so Jim mentioned and I Jim was the program manager for the AAS the OSAP the

AAS uh uh WAP I think it was and um uh

and so basically he described in his book somebody I I don’t know if it was him because he never I think he said it

was him uh went inside one of these craft that he had access to and they couldn’t recognize any propulsion or

power devices or systems inside the craft it was completely unusual travis

Taylor and I have speculated that possibly they’re teleporting energy from a remote distant location where the

energy is produced that’s teleported to the craft and that’s how the craft can move around without having to carry

propellant uh or a rocket engine or or an advanced work drive engine on it

that’s one possibility that we speculated on the material so what you have me thinking is

carbon can take multiple forms right and are you saying that that is the same

with other material other elements the way in which what we found

is different forms of these elements that we have it would be different it’ be different combinations of the

elements is ratios as well correct yeah so you’re you’re you’re going to have a

variety of uh whatever structural part of this that came off of UAP and I don’t know because I wasn’t I didn’t have uh

way better than acknowledge SAP access i only had TSSCI so at the SCI level I was

informed that there would be combinations of elements from the periodic table combinations of their isotopes so you have a variety of

elements uh as they naturally occur or some isotopes of them mixed together in a certain way and then they’re uh

structurally built in a very unusual way that even today we have no um equivalent or handoff to so these were these this

is about as much as I was given information and do you have or can you comment on

whatever species have been um that have been piloted these craft how are they

large are they are they multiple species are they are they what is their size and

how many usually on a crab they’re typically the multiple species people really like with the grays the Nordics

uh people are talking about reptilians and insecttoids it’s not that they’re reptilian or insect away it’s that they

resemble uh to the precipitate a reptile or an insect type human because they

have this a head and four limbs and torso

so large small uh human size human scale and are there are there how many crew

well the well the grays I’m familiar with from uh investigating the crash of

Corona which is mis misnamed the crash of Roswell it’s not the crash in Roswell

it’s the crash of Corona in Mexico uh those were graves those are four foot tall and um the Nordics are typically

human size probably five six feet tall um and same with the people who mis

mislabel reptilian and insect work roughly that height too i haven’t heard

anything about anything seven or eightt tall of that nature

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commercial for Congress to taken by a camera i just received permission

today object and look at the shadow being

cast by a civilian pilot now why is this important

this taken from a civilian pilot right not a fle system not an

infrared system but an average person with an average camera at 21,000 ft and the

object potentially is anywhere between 600 to,000 ft in diameter

particular object and it is silver now I cannot vouch for the veracity of this

photograph i didn’t take it but this is an example of one of many

many [Music] many incidents involving commercial and private pilots guess what they don’t

know where to report it guess what congress has no idea that this is happening on a regular

basis that’s the problem why is this relevant because right now you’re going to hear from two speakers i’ll introduce

you to them in a moment who uh who are experts in national security and have been

following this topic for some time i’d like to do is introduce you to Mr chris

Melon first and foremost chris Melon is

a former boss boss boss he was a senior

staff director if I’m not mistaken uh here in the Senate at the time with Bill

Cohen Senator Bill Cohen and then later went to the Department of Defense and became the first uh what you might call

the under secretary of defense for intelligence the position before there was a dazzy the deputy assistant

secretary of defense where basically Chris was responsible for all the intelligence equities

globally globally for the department of defense right anything from human

operations to special access programs and everything else

um Chris has been a spearhead in public engagement getting

the academic community the scientific community everybody intelligence community all to

apply their efforts and time and talent and resources to

this very real problem the next individual uh is Mr kana

uh senior mil former senior military officer as well and very senior staffer

on the Senate side for the Senate Armed Services Committee who was instrumental

in helping get Dr eric Davis to provide classified briefings to certain members

of Congress i won’t say who that’s not my place to say um Kirk has been in the shadows for a

very long time and he has been extremely effective in getting this topic at the

highest to the attention of the highest levels of our government and that to include other administrations as well

not just this one and the one before but the one before that as well um so with

that said there’s a whole lot more could go and I could spend probably half an hour going over their academic week today and their accomplishments um but

rather what I’d like to do is spend some of that time instead and allowing them to have a discussion with you here today

and some questions i think Chris Melon first has some presentation he’d like to provide so I’m going to give the floor

to Chris Melon please welcome our our new panel

there would you like to present that maybe I’ll come up there a little better

thank you for that overly uh kind introduction and uh my thanks to the to

the congressman for taking time out of their busy schedules to be here with us and everyone else who contributed

especially Jordan Flowers i just returned from uh South America uh for

about 4 weeks and uh um promised I would not work on anything related to UAP the

whole time and uh got back here and made a quick turn uh a little under the

weather wouldn’t have a briefing if it wasn’t for uh for Jordan and uh and his assistance uh what I want to talk about

uh is I don’t think the public is aware of the extent of our airspace

vulnerabilities and failures and the degree to which they’ve already been exploited and are being exploited today

and the challenge that we face in trying to sort this out i also want to pivot a

little bit based on uh earlier conversations i wasn’t uh going to get

into this so much but Dr lo talked about spending a billion dollars or so to

develop new sensors to collect information one of my career frustrations in the intelligence

community has been that we have incredible sensors that are far more than a billion

dollars and we have a great many of them and they are collecting information

today which is directly pertinent to this topic but that information is not

reaching congress it’s not reaching the scientific community uh in many cases I

don’t think it’s reaching the arrow which is the office that congress established to study and evaluate this

phenomenon so if we could have the first slide please uh what is this you want to

do that Yeah so here’s just a little overview of

uh the topics I’m going to touch on which is the word shocking I think is uh

is not an exaggeration or hyperbole in this case uh we really are effectively

naked from an air defense standpoint when it comes to these drones uh I’ll talk and provide very specific examples

to illustrate that uh and the UAP uh and Um let me begin

here okay this is a unfortunately I don’t have this right in front of me but

this is a map that displays roughly the coverage provided by something called

the solid state phased array radar system these are reportedly the most

powerful emitters on the planet if there are other civilizations in nearby solar

systems they’re more likely to detect these emitters than probably anything else on our planet uh how many UAP would

you guess they have detected in say the last 20

years that have been reported to Arrow zero zero zero

how is it possible that the most powerful radar I’ve been writing about this for years by the way

fecklessly this is not a new point the training of Congress is somebody in Congress to listen to this and pay

attention for years and Kirk will will testify to that in the armed services committee because I keep going up there

and have been for years say guys how come this thing never detects any UAV how is that possible these are the most

powerful emitters on the planet and look at the area they cover and oh by the way

when you look at the area they cover we keep having reports over and over again

from tactical systems from ships plane and aircraft in the areas covered by

these radar so Eegis ships planes flown by

uh Mr ryan here and his naval aviator colleagues and others are reporting UAE

uh UAP constantly in these areas but somehow these systems never seem to see

a UAP ever how is that possible how come

nobody’s asking about that is this a Chinese balloon situation where all we

need to do is tweak the filters and lo and behold we’re going to bring into

focus something which is uh if drones if nothing else they’re a vital absolutely

vital uh air security significance we know that in Russia and

Ukraine today drones are causing more casualties and killing more people than

any other weapon system right so this is utterly transformed

warfare as we know it here’s a multi-billion dollar system it’s up and

running this is the successor to the old ballistic missile early warning system so its primary function is to detect

ballistic missiles coming over the poles from Russia or China or from North Korea and to develop intercept solutions

uh but it also has a mission of detecting sea launch cruise missiles and bombers and so forth so there’s a couple

there’s one of several possibilities either we’ve spent billions of dollars on a system that’s

not performing as it should be or uh it just you know maybe needs some

some tweaks in the filters to expand the the range of things that reports on a

you know one of the challenges with these systems is to avoid clutter right because they’re so powerful they collect

so much they’ve got to filter it down so what’s being displayed is reasonable and

appropriate to the mission uh it could be a problem of that sort or it’s simply

so highly classified that the information is not reaching arrow i favor the latter i think that’s

what’s going on and I think if Congress were to to poke hard on this uh maybe

get an inspector general to look at these possible options or otherwise uh

look into this they they would get some answers question is that data from that

system being archived i believe so i don’t know how far back

they go and how how that’s a great question we don’t know how far back it goes and uh one of the things so when

you approach NORAD about this or the Air Force and you start asking about this data and what are they seeing so right

now my understanding is by the way that they don’t even tell Arrow uh which

whose director supposedly cleared for everything they don’t even tell him when they scramble fighter aircraft to

conduct intercepts so they’re regularly scrambling fighter aircraft i’ve talked to and interviewed on television a NORED

officer who told an account of walking into Cheyenne Mountain uh where he uh

for duty and everybody was standing on their feet looking at the big screen and there was a UAP coming down from the

Arctic along the east coast United States and the commanderin-chief of Nor

said quote I want that thing and everybody said yes sir and they were

watching everything we have in the east coast couldn’t get it near it couldn’t get a radar lock uh it disappeared out

over the southern Atlantic is that the only time that ever happened the one time that this NORAD

officer gave this account in the 1990s when the system was much less capable than it is today and we were seeing

fewer uh things than we are today and and fewer intrusions over restricted

airspace i rather doubt it uh this is by the way only one of a number of

multibillion dollar systems that are already deployed they’re collecting data that

bears directly on this topic that don’t seem to be reporting anything to Arrow

so Arrow issued a report in their last report they said we don’t have anything

in they haven’t seen any UAP in space but there were I think 40 instances in

which groundbased reporters like civilian airline pilots reported things

far above beyond what they call the Karman line and 100,000 ft which is what

they consider outer space for these purposes now there’s another system

called the groundbased electrooptical uh deep space surveillance system which

is a ring of cameras circling the globe that does nothing but the night sky all

night long how come those systems didn’t detect what these pilots are talking

about they’re looking up saying “I saw these bright lights moving etc etc.”

Well there’s one of these cameras on top of uh of uh our one of our highest peaks

in Hawaii and it does nothing but stare at the night sky that same night sky all night long did it miss that was it a

cloudy night have any of those cameras ever collected one of these incidents

they said there were 40 uh I would think somebody ought to take an inventory and say we want to

know which of these surveillance systems is reporting UAP and uh which are not and

what specifically are they reporting take an inventory again is there a systemic problem or failure with these

systems the taxpayers spending billions of dollars i would think we would want to know that now interestingly with

regarding to the GI system I uh one on one occasion had a colleague who was

visiting for a sort of routine oversight uh purpose many years ago and I said

“While you’re there Pete why don’t you ask them if they ever seen anything

strange?” I didn’t want to say flying saucer but that’s what I was alluding to and he knew what I was talking about so

he asked the question and sure enough this the month before on that one

occasion when the question was asked they had indeed collected uh

photographic imagery of what was a four or five objects moving through the night sky and formation traveling parallel to

the earth’s surface i don’t know that the question has ever been asked since that was

probably 20 years ago i find it hard to believe that in all

that time that they haven’t collected anything relevant to this question and I

don’t understand why that data is not getting error i don’t know if anyone has

again has even got a checklist to make sure that when Congress issued this

directive and said you’re going to there’s a reporting requirement now everybody needs to report this stuff it

needs to go to the Air Force to filter down through the commands is anything coming back up from these systems do

these people even know they’re supposed to report and is there any reporting of that kind going on there’s another

system called the space-based infrared system multibillion dollar system this

is again in the unclassified domain what I’m talking about here there’s quite a

bit you know additionally that is paid for by the taxpayer that’s pertinent

it’s a very robust system with satellites in multiple orbits highly elliptical orbits geospatial orbits very

high precision it’s looking for infrared uh and heat kinds of events uh as far as

I know they have detected reported arrow zero UAP

incidents okay maybe nothing happened maybe they haven’t seen anything but it

does make you wonder in this case it’s particularly strange since we know there

are dozens if not hundreds of UAP incidents happening within the areas

that this system is supposed to provide coverage of for example famous Nimis

incident occurred excuse me almost directly in front of the radar at Be Air

Force Base right off the coast and this went on for about a week or so and you had

objects descending from 60,000 ft and back up so I don’t think anyone could

say “Well they were so small they were so close to the water it wasn’t within range of the radar.”

These things were at very high altitudes and this was going on on a sustained

basis so my suspicion is now I understand that that data could be

highly classified i could understand why it might not be in the quality domain what I can’t understand is why Arrow

does not seem to be aware of this data if it exists and why the appropriate congressional committees do not seem to

be aware of and informed of this do I realistically expect the new thing to

happen because I’m raising this here no because I’ve been doing this for years

but what the heck we’re here might as well try again

um let’s go on to uh to the next slide so

uh we have uh uh an incredible series of

events that have been happening i wrote an article a year ago to this month

called Who’s Operating the Drones Plaguing the US Military and uh uh it

did actually get read by a producer for 60 minutes who subsequently did a piece

which featured several uh fourstar officers who in fact confirmed what I

was discussing and alleging in the article uh with regard to the events

that occurred at Langley Air Force Base and elsewhere is truly shocking here’s

the Air Combat Command which is supposed to be protecting these gentlemen in this

institution where we’re sitting in Capitol Hill and the White House and the US government and they can’t protect

their own airspace they have to move uh our cutting edge F22 fighter squadron to

a Navy base from the Air Force base and this is going on for I forget how

long it was couple of weeks roughly uh and we’re talking

about strange craft bright lights appearing over this

base making it unsafe to fly night after night after

night and to this day we have no idea where they were coming from we don’t know their capabilities we all know who

who was controlling them and that remains true not just for that base and that incident but for numerous other

bases so the first incident and the war zone is a great source for people

interested in this topic by the way terrific reporting 2018 in Guam we’ve

installed a $1.5 billion anti-bballistic missile

system and these brightly lit small craft show up they go right to the

missile battery and they’re shining bright lights down on it like they’re photographing and this happens two

nights in a row so back in 2018 it wasn’t apparent as it is now but

obviously those drones could have been weaponized they could have easily taken that battery out and eviscerated the the

uh ballistic missile defense on our leading facility in the Pacific not to

mention the fact I just went to that uh to Google Maps this morning to check that air base and that air base like

Langley unlike some of the others has very few hardened shelters

so those multiund million dollar aircraft that are on the runway could

easily be destroyed by drones that are costing what a few thousand

bucks okay that’s how vulnerable we

are then in 2019 we began to see this activity off the coast of the United

States in California and I’ll read a little uh excerpt from one of those

reports uss Paul Hamilton observed four UAS with the closest point of approach

approximately 200 yards off the bow port and starboard

beams they had a uh ontime station of approximately 2 hours and 20 minutes so

if you ever if you have children and you have drones at home you know that they

usually are have a maximum time of about 20 minutes okay these were in station

for 2 hours and 20 minutes 60 80 miles off the shore uh not

apparent where they could have been launched from what their total uh dwell time was uh the anti-UAS systems on the

ship were ineffective in uh in bringing them down the first UAS spotted by

lookouts at 240 uh observed with a single white

light they wanted to report others within 500 yards maneuvering four and

app with four white lights and a crashing red light they’re not trying to be sly they’re not trying to be

clandestine approximately 200 yards above the ship again maneuvering right

around the ship back and forth up and down uh they went to the bridge of the

ship with a powerful search light or photographic device so they’re actually

we’ve had cases where they go right up to the bridge of the ship and shine a bright light in on the captain of the

senior crew that’s how overt and provocative this is and

that apparently reflects their degree of confidence that we can’t intercept them

and bring them down whoever it is that’s operating that same year we began to see

them around nuclear power plants in 2020 very strange uh situation out west

this went on not just for weeks this went on for months in one of the least densely

populated there’s a slide that kind of shows I think maybe it’s back uh roughly the part of the region we’re talking

about here yeah eastern Colorado and western

Oklahoma so we’re talking about farmland i drove out west team last winter and

drove kind of through that area it is incredibly sparsely populated there is

uh there is very very very little there and yet these drones were operating in

groups clusters as many as 40 drones at a time they formed a uh this was so

extensive and there was so much u uh eventual fur raised among the ranchers

and farmers that they formed a task force involving the FBI Department of

Homeland Security local law enforcement they deployed a special plane that the

governor of California authorized that had sensors on it and this continued to occur and we never found out where these

things were coming from who was operating them i called a sheriff there and spoke to him about it he told me a

fascinating story he said he was actually a deputy sheriff but the sheriff was also witness they responded

to a call and there were a group of these lights over this farm and uh a

brighter light came in a larger light and the smaller lights went inside of it

and it took off at an extreme velocity and passed almost directly over the

sheriff and the deputy and he told me “I’ve never seen anything move that fast.” He’s also in

the military reserves uh this individual so uh and that report by the

way he called it a mothership uh it’s not just a story that I happen to hear

if you look at the documentation from Air Force Office special investigation the FBI and so

forth you’ll see written documentation from other witnesses that refers to a

mothership so this is actually well documented very strange and very

concerning uh we don’t know what is in operating in our airspace and this

continues often in militarily sensitive areas 2023 Arizona test ranges you’ve

heard about Langley but we do a lot of flying in the southwest flying

conditions are great it’s a terrific place for the Air Force we have large air force bases there and the some of

the strange things we’re seeing in the number and the rate and frequency

with which this is happening is extraordinary so um this includes now your average drone

is restricted to a flight of 450 ft we’ve got F-35s and F-22s well in

this case F-35s they’re encountering drones at 15,000 feet 17,000 feet

35,000 feet going 500 miles

hour in restricted military airspace meanwhile in the adjacent area

and I included in my PowerPoint briefing you can find uh videos from the

Department of Homeland Security nine of them about some of the strange things that they’re seeing on the

border very very odd things now this raises a little bit of an issue that

I’ve written about recently also um with the hope that that it might

prove some assistance to this task force which is why is it the Department of Homeland Security can publish all these

videos but Arrow can’t and DoD can’t there was a hearing before Congress a

few years ago with Mr ray from the Navy and he said “I assure you I’m going to review these videos and make sure that

we get out to you and the public everything we can.” Um I think maybe

there’s been one video in three years since then uh when I’ve looked into this

and talked to people at different parts of the federal government and so forth they’ve basically said nobody feels it’s

their job to turn this over to the public nobody wants to make the effort to

submit it for public release so back in 2017 I provided three unclassified

videos to the New York Times you’ve all seen those gimbal Fleer Go Fast right

there are a lot more like that they just haven’t been released because shortly after that somebody created a

classification guide which suddenly said in contradiction to the executive order

on classification signed by the president that anything essentially anything having to do with UAP is now

suddenly mystically classified because it might damage national security even though

those three videos the FBI the the Office of Special uh Investigations Air

Force investigated confirmed they were classified not only did they not damage

national security they helped national security they helped raise an awareness for the public for Congress that we have

an air defense problem here and the scientific community is very eager to

get more of those kinds of videos because they want to train AI systems they want to know what it is we’re

looking for they want to measure the signatures there’s a lot they can contribute to this but the bureaucracy

uh is not responding and I think there I couldn’t put a number on it but I

believe that if someone were to to poke that system and force them to review

that classification guide if someone were to establish some advocacy for

taking that which is truly unclassified and admittedly absolutely there are many

things videos that would be are appropriately classified not questioning that what I am saying is that there are

others that fall into this camp that would have value to the public value to

Congress value to the scientific community and this is not an expensive

proposition it’s just a matter of getting somebody to focus on

and and put these through the process and uh I think the public not

only has a right to know I think it’s beyond that i think there’s a it’s

there’s a utilitarian function there’s great value in the public knowing this

information and value to the scientific community in having this information uh

I give the example sometimes of what happened with and I promise to get off the stage like real fast um so I’m

starting I’m starting to fall into my own uh stuff here that I get into but um

the uh this funding program I have no doubt if they could have kept it secret the CIA would not have told the American

people the Russians had a satellite in orbit and we wouldn’t have had the space

program when we did we wouldn’t have gotten to the moon when we did uh because the people have gotten fired up

and said “Oh my god this is not acceptable that the Russians are ahead of us and we need to act.” And Congress

took action and it was uh you know it actually ironically we

ended up collaborating with the Russians in space and it actually helped from you know facilitate some peaceful uh

developments and relations i think there are a lot of uh benefits along those

lines that uh that could acrue but it’s going to take some uh

some effort and uh on the part of um uh Congress I think to compel this to

happen if it’s going to happen so with that I will close and thank our

congressional sponsors for taking an interest in this and giving us the opportunity to express

our concerns and uh share what we uh what we’ve learned thus far about this

problem thank you can I ask a second question this high resolution 4K videos

of UAP is this stuff that you know about or is this stuff that you’ve seen well there’s some stuff that I’ve seen and

and uh I’ve asked about and I think there is one video I’ve seen that they’re going to

declassify and um I hope that happens um it wasn’t for

I would say it was 4K it was more like what you’ve seen you know is infrared

sensor gun camera video along the lines of what the New York Times published in

the Washington Post subsequently uh so it’s that kind of of

video from that sensor system so we know it exists it’s there oh yeah yeah yeah and now by the way we are at a point now

where the Arrow has received

uh somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,800 military

reports 1,800 in just the last few years i Some of those are iPhone videos

so I don’t think there’s a big source as a method issue there there’s there’s a variety of some are

from you know stuff you get at Best Buy from sailors on the ship with a video camera that uh there’s got to be a

number in that mix that could be revealed and uh beyond that as I said I

think there’s a lot of high caliber sensor data the American people have

already paid for for many of these sensors are out there many of them and they’re collecting pertinent data

obvious Dr lo has benefited from the data that had to do with the re-entry of

the interstellar vehicle it was a great example of a taxpayer funded system that

contributed to science in a very meaningful way i’m here to tell you I think there’s a lot

more to that kind of thing that could be made available if someone did a thorough

assessment of the sensor systems that we have and what they’re collecting and

took a hard look at the classification issues we also had a system a uh

precedented ones where we cleared for global warming some scientists to look at some classified data relating to that

scientific problem set and that’s conceivably another it has there’s problems with that because scientists

want to be able to publish of course they want their colleagues to be able to see everything possible about the

sources but there are variety of opportunities I think we’re missing at the same time there’s a huge huge

national security issue here and we’ve got stuff in our skies some of it could

represent technological surprise that we need to find out about it you’ve got

these unmanned systems at 35,000 ft that’s a mile higher than top of Mount

Everest going 500 miles an hour in restricted military airspace i would say we’ve got a lot of

work to do [Applause]

well thank you Chris just as I do not have the advantage of height that you do

so I have to bring this way down um I think uh Chris brings up a very

good point and the reason why I decided to share this photograph with you taken from a civilian pilot now is because the

same challenges that our pilots or military pilots are facing as to where

to report it who’s going to analyze it what do you do with the information multiply that for the

civilian aviation community do they report to the FAA do they report to NORA

maybe the Air Force maybe a civilian organization right who’s responsible for getting this information now again let

me caveat this is not vetted this was taken by a civilian pilot but once again you would think

this information would be important for somebody to look at certainly someone in

government certainly some some of our representatives that are sitting here right this these are over sensitive

military installations whose are they what are their capabilities what are the intent right um but enough of me right

now let’s let’s let’s go on to uh our our second expert here uh Mr kirk

McConnell i could sit here all day once again these these guests are just unbelievable um Kirk my question is for

you and I’m going to go off script here for a minute you have deep expertise and experience with the Senate Armed

Services Committee what is right now the greatest challenge you see for our

Congress to tackle this topic on behalf of the American people what is if you

had to narrow it down to one one to three challenges especially for our reps

here that are sitting with us here today so patiently what would be in your

estimate the three greatest challenges facing Congress tackling this topic

well I I I would speculate i’m I’m not a lengthy can you all hear back there

how’s that um I certainly don’t want to speak for Congress uh you know I I do want to

mention that um I did serve 37 years as a staff member on Capitol Hill for

Senate Armed Services Committee and both the House and Senate intelligence committees uh I was not in the military

got that wrong uh but uh so I’ve been up here a long time but I have no voting

never have i have tremendous respect for the institution um and I don’t uh intend

to reveal sort of inside baseball information um but uh you know what I

would say is uh on a topic like this my sense is that Congress needs a lot of

confidence to push really vigorously and where are they going to

get that confidence that there is an absolute assurance that there’s a

reality here and I think as much evidence as has been accumulated in the

public domain over such a long period of time it is subject to uh to question and

we all know how that has has proceeded over a good period of decades

um the key to this in my opinion is firsthand sources who can testify to

direct involvement in this so-called legacy program of crash retrievalss of

reverse engineering um unfortunately uh there are people out

there I I believe from from many reports that uh are interested in coming forward

and telling their story but they are very much intimidated and

frightened about doing that uh they’re afraid of u of the consequences

including their own personal safety is what they relate their personal safety

certainly their career u starting with their security clearances which is the means that they have to make a living um

and they have observed uh some folks uh who have come forward not to mention you

Lou and Dave Rush and have seen uh what those folks have gone True and

most of them say “Yeah I’m not doing that.” So I think we’re we’re sort of in

a in a tough situation it’s almost like u you know catch 22 um we need we need

more uh more primary sources uh but it’s hard to get people with that kind of uh

that kind of information to come forward because of of the fear of retaliation we

need a better whistle blower thank you sir that’s uh something that I’m sure as you know has been discussed in both the

Senate and the House why don’t you draw me something up really tight yes sir um

so uh whistleblower protections is uh and and you know finding ways to

even compensate them if they do uh have negative consequences from coming

forward uh and so forth so I I certainly uh I certainly think this

is this is a ma a major a major factor i would just let you ask the next

question actually Chris jump yeah so there was uh

I came prepared to address that issue as well and

yeah I came prepared to contribute what I could to that question as well

but the classified session was cancelled um I think due to the sensitivity of the

names of the individuals and and so forth

um you know I didn’t think it was appropriate to I could do it in an unclassified setting um if they do

reschedu a classified setting I think uh I’m more than happy to try to provide

some very some specifics uh I published a signal message I received from a very

senior government official he described a specific Secretary of the Air Force

memorandum he described a specific recovery site he described he named the

Air Force gatekeeper for the program uh nobody

from Congress has asked me to follow up on that i have all that information

um you know I was prepared to share what I could about that but um I don’t know

that it would be definitive or lead to any conclusion but uh I do think those

names due to the you know privacy concerns of the individuals and so Obviously it’s pretty sensible so uh I’m

prepared to try to help with that as I can as well but in this session I wanted to address

uh some of these other issues related to declassification ask a general question to either of you what are the

consequences and either or both of you can answer what are the consequences of Congress not taking

action on this topic from a national security perspective

well the uh you heard uh Dr eric Davis um

expressing expressing u his understanding of the state of

affairs in this arena which namely which which is that the program the legacy

program call it that has uh has uh has been sort of stalled that

um we’re not uh we’re not making the use of allegedly making the best use of the

best minds in the country um the compartmentalization allegedly has

prevented the kind of coordination and uh collaboration between

uh scientists to really uh you know practice very difficult set

of physics problems um and uh and that I’m sure that the security uh element uh

that’s had to be applied to this uh to this uh activity has uh come with a lot

of costs in terms of uh effectively managing managing the program and it is

alleged that this even extends uh within the executive branch that very senior

uh leaders in the executive branch aren’t aware of this and are not uh um

you know managing the effort so it it doesn’t it’s not a leap uh or stretch to

to suppose that we’re hampering ourselves immensely by this continued uh

compartmentation um and certainly Congress does not know whether this

activity is being managed appropriately or not we don’t know if it’s got the right level of resources it’s got the

right management structure the right incentives and so on and so forth um you know we think our government can

work pretty well when we’re when we’re managing things according to to the

rules um and uh so I I think that this

is uh this is a a detriment to national security the lack of of oversight and

and and awareness it’s certainly possible to keep properly classified

things classified and still have effective oversight and management both

in the executive branch and speaking of uh of keeping

national security and and secrets classified which I completely agree with

there are very specific reasons why you want to keep certain aspects of this topic classified sources and methods etc

maybe certain capabilities but let me ask this is a question probably for for you Mr melton

in your opinion what are the I’m trying to become Mr well I

because uh the fact I’m not wearing a tie I have to make up for some i’ve already been accused of being used to

see me in the suit too casual and too lax so I’m trying to trying to be more formal here chris um in your opinion

what are the consequences of retroactively classifying information

previously unclassified and are you aware of any specific incidence of

information or data that was unclassified that is now classified

well as I mentioned earlier I I think there’s piles of that stuff and I think

there’s so much of it it’s kind of hard to gauge what the consequences are because my understanding is that they

adopted the classification guide which basically says anything and everything do with

UAP is classified here for now people who haven’t read the executive order may

not be aware the executive order says when in doubt you should heir on the

side of going unclassified it heirs you’re supposed to

heir on the side of transparency and openness to the American people and we’re talking about many of

these videos uh if an F18 clear targeting pod video was

unclassified in 2017 and we’re not talking about denied area or some other

unusual exception how can it be classified two years when you take the same video from

the same system in the same area two years later i don’t get it but that

looks like what they did and it avoids typ I argued vificiously against it at

the time i knew some of the people involved and tried to make the argument to that guy is we wouldn’t even be here

we wouldn’t be having a discussion if information hadn’t gotten into the public

domain via Congress and the press and that’s why we’ve made the progress we’ve

made today now you want to drop the curtain on everything what do you you know what I

don’t get it so um I can’t really gauge the the implications but I do think

they’re negative and I think it’s it’s inappropriate i think it’s probably

unlawful uh my last question here before we move to a very short break for the next panel i want to be respectful of

time of both the congressional members and of course um our panelists as

well this next question goes to you Kirk um you mentioned a little bit about

whistleblowers and I know that from my understanding um and you don’t have to talk about it but I know you received

classified briefings before on this topic from specific subject matter experts and some of your colleagues

what can Congress do specifically members such as Reposen Repet Rep Luna

her colleagues to better protect whistleblowers to incentivize individuals to come forward

and provide at a minimum unclassified information in a way that they don’t

have to worry about retribution to their careers perhaps much worse and

classified information in the proper venue what what can Congress do to to

help improve that flow of information and minimize the reprisals that some of us have have faced in the past

uh Lou I would uh I would first off like to say that um that uh there is a an

option like people who do come forward and want to talk to uh committees in

Congress don’t have to go public um they can and have uh come to the armed

services committees the intelligence committees and uh

in in confidence on a classified basis have related what they know and what

their experiences um um the members who have uh who have

received that kind of uh of accounts and witness statements uh

have protected the identity of of such people and they have um

they have thereby been protected um the the the uh negative side of that

is that the members uh can’t go around and tell their colleagues uh uh what

they they have learned because that’s uh that risks the identity of people that

have come forward and gain confidence and therefore it doesn’t it doesn’t empower members to then uh uh

procilitize and and get everyone uh geared up to really make a strong

investigatory push um but it is an it is an option uh for for people to consider

um I would also uh say that um uh we have a gentleman here in the audience

who has uh uh conducted a legal uh history of uh people who uh

come forward to make uh classified uh statements to Congress over long

period of time and uh he tells me that uh he can’t find an

where someone coming forward and giving classified information to Congress

without sort of formal permission from the executive branch that there’s never been I hope

I’m getting this right there’s never been an indictment or much less a prosecution for doing that um now I I

certainly I’m not a lawyer and I certainly uh don’t want to encourage people to uh to sort of break the rules

as they see as they understand them and what they’re bound to by agreements that

they sign but it is at least something to think about

um and uh and and potentially act on that obviously takes a lot of courage to

do that i just like to this a little bit of a nonseer but our panel is coming to an

end and I I did want to make share a concern I have which is that we have two

different issues here we have UAP objects that we’re observing uh in

flight active around military facilities and we have an issue of of possible

recovery of materials uh these two issues in the public

It’s entirely possible that we might not have recovered materials but UAP are very real and here addressing it it’s an

urgent issue and I have a concern that if that issue is not in some way

validated or addressed it runs the risk of discrediting the entire topic and

we’ve made enormous progress uh nothing happened essentially from the

blue book days until 2017 uh and I I fear that if there isn’t

some uh effective way of addressing this that we run the risk of a major setback

i don’t know how secure arrow is in the long term i’m not seeing interest on the

part of the chairman of the committees that fund it on the armed services and

intelligence committees they don’t seem to be engaged or supportive at this point for defense approach so I think

we’re in somewhat tenuous ground is probably in a better position to address this than me but I

think the second call if you were to confirm that and how do you manage that

who deals with that it’s such a transformational issue that it cannot be

a press release that comes out from a you know from from Congress some

afternoon Friday afternoon or something it’s a literally cosmic issue that runs

the risk of having of terrifying tens of millions hundreds of millions of people

right so it’s a very complex interrelated set of issues

and I think we and whoever in Congress is fired over this really needs to think

through how to handle the two of those things and uh our foundation obviously

wants to help if we can but I don’t I think it’s a tough

challenge for members who are very very busy people with a lot on their plates

in the I’m I’m going to make an exception i’m going to continue this conversation because there’s a question I want to ask

it’s very very important related to with their expertise go ahead well I I wanted to get to the question that you actually

ask about whistleblower protections and I’m by no means an expert or even really

conversant uh on the topic of whistleblower protections um but um you

know applying a common sense kind of standard um you know you need to you

need to have uh we need to have legislation that uh that really is

strong uh you know there’s a long record of whistleblowers despite whistleblower

protections in the law uh they get retaliated against and they

they lose their jobs they lose their careers and

uh it happens with enough regularity that no one could blame people for not

wanting not wanting a business so the legislation would need to be would need

to be very robust and I think it would need to include things like restitution

possibility of uh of uh of uh the government making good on the loss of uh

loss of their career loss of security clearances if it comes to that and uh

and and making uh you know making making sure that uh that people are not going

to u you know suffer these consequences

um even though the law says they should never have suffered those consequences you got you got to clean up the mess uh

that that that tends to happen here um so anyway I uh I limit myself to

those so one last question i know you said it before i’m going to again break the rule here real quick but I’m going to ask you very quickly let’s try to if

we can big question but try to keep succeed if we can um and this is for both of you and and I think uh this is

part of the challenge that Congress faces okay so you have we all want to protect national security how do you

separate protecting blue force technologies perhaps perhaps hypothetically gain from the insights of

UAP recovery programs but at the same time leveling with the American people about the

reality the fundamental reality that that we a we do not have a current understanding of everything in our sky

right US air domain awareness we do not have a complete sight picture and two that there may be

technologies that are not from us and um that warrant further investigation again

but at the same time protecting if we have any technologies hypothetically that have been developed as a result

well um Lou you know uh we heard from Dr davis that and and many others who

believe that we haven’t made much progress uh in in with respect to

deciphering what the physics are behind and these c they’re coming here

uh at the same time I mean we don’t really know that that is true we haven’t made progress maybe we make great

progress and and that we have stuff ourselves that that could be uh that

could be pretty marvelous right um and certainly there can be absolutely vital

uh reasons for protecting that kind of information um I mean

has crossed my mind is uh you know people say you know if the United States government has been

into this why in the world wouldn’t the government have made these kinds of technologies

known for the betterment of our citizens and for mankind and you know one thought

is like what if it what if once you understand the science what if the

engineering I know uh Eric Davis thinks that we’re you know we’re maybe a thousand years from being able to do

this but but what if that’s uh what if it’s not true and you know the

government is on the horns of a dilemma like it’s got energy sources that might be an absolute boon to mankind but it

also is looking at the weaponization of that and it’s terrifying um and so you

know gee is there a way that you can exploit that for your own benefit militarily but keeping this uh uh

keeping this thing somehow this genie bottled up uh where it doesn’t um come

into the hands of a of a North Korean dictator um so uh I I don’t have answers i Lou I

think uh I think you’ve got to deal with this uh this range of uh of um of

possibilities but the first thing you got to do is understand it right we have to we have to understand what the

government knows and until we do it’s going to be hard to develop a rational

strategy for managing this i don’t know

until I don’t think I’ll do manage it leave it at that i’ve said too much

already and I’m eager to get off the stage and turn it over all right folks three

minutes thank you very much [Applause] [Music]

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anybody who’s standing up please take your seats unless you are part of the

camera group so folks folks uh let me first extend my

sincere appreciation and thanks for everyone’s patience um as you can see we could probably stay all day with just

one panelist alone lot to discuss we are barely scratching the surface here um

the next discussion is really going to be part of a scientific discussion and so the two panelists you have here are

experts in their own fields uh and and recognized um as a as a global leader in

their particular expertise so what I’d like to do first is introduce Miss Anna

Brady Estz founding partner at American Deep Tech former SBA innovation advisor

for Kaufman a Kaufman fellow and uh on the UAPF advisory board but what you may

not know is that uh Miss Brady Estz is

deeply involved with the National Science Foundation um and that involvement really includes

looking at pioneering new ways to invest American talent scientific talent

into new and emerging areas of science right where do we where do we

decide to put our money and our effort in the next 20 years right where do we get that return on investment what does

that look like right and how do we how do we force ourselves to think outside the box to to be creative

don’t invent tomorrow’s technology invent the technology after

tomorrow and it’s that type of creative thinking that has traditionally kept

this country ahead of everybody else and uh I ask you to when she when

she speaks um listen to what she has to say because this is in my opinion this is the future

not just this topic but any topic requiring innovation because if you don’t innovate you stagnate if you don’t

stagnate you perish that’s just the bottom line right we live in a competitive world the next individual is

a uh colleague and friend of mine Mr mike Gold Mr whiteville is president of

the civil and international space uh at Redwire member of the NASA UAP

independent study team former NASA associate administrator for space policy

and partnerships former acting associate administrator for the office of international and inter agency relations

and senior adviser to the administrator for international and legal affairs former vice president for civil space at

Maxar Technologies former director of DC operations and business growth at Val

Aerospace you might remember that word from somewhere else had that involvement and last but certainly not least uh as a

um member of NASA am I correct to say a a mission manager uh with the

Aremis team is that did I get that right because I’ve got two things wrong so far today so I want to make sure they’re

right i’m a recovering attorney they wouldn’t let me close the prior mission so I was the architect of the Artemis of

course however the global partnership with 54 countries to explore moon Mars and beyond

excellent and that’s it right explore explore moons moon Mars and beyond um

there is a um something for you to consider there was an estimate done that

um the future of man mankind our species um is not here in fact if you were to

look at the financial opportunities it was estimated that 1* 10^ the 18th 18th

power amount of money this this world has ever made globally in all its time

as modern civilization multiply that by a factor of 18 and that’s the value of the

resources that lie within the inner asteroid belt of our solar system right

so so the future is there as a microbiologist an imologist there’s one

primary directive for all life systems that we know and that’s to expand if you don’t expand you will perish in fact you

can look at a petri dish if you put the right amount of nutrients bacteria will do the same take a plant give it

nutrients and water it will grow and take over that is the primary director of wildlife and we are no exception to

that so keep that in mind as these two individuals are going to talk to you uh

about uh about the importance of this topic the UAP topic and how it relates to the scientific community um am I

mistaken that you have a you have a presentation for us so what I’d like to do is turn it over uh first of all welcome our two guests our esteemed

guests and um ma’am did you have presentation or you going to do the just questions and answers i’ll go verbal

yeah okay verbal got it mike come on up and let’s uh get you started thanks so much is it okay if I move from here yeah

yeah great wonderful pleasure in terms of expansion I can tell you my doctor says I’m expanding far too much every

day yeah me too lot of trouble thank you so much Lou not only for today but for

all you have done to push this topic you are an American hero as well as the congressman and many others in this room

from you know the journalists to the scientists the advocates the pilots it’s just an honor to be here i appreciate

what everyone has done also thank you Redwater directors for letting me out of the meeting early that was a wonderful

discussion i think this is going to be a lot more exciting if I could point you to my opening slide that is actually an

image taken by the blue ghost lunar lantern with red wire Argus cameras i’m going to get in why that is such an

extraordinary image in a moment but before we get there uh we were having a discussion about

substances and what these new substances look like new materials what this UAP

technology would be and I’ve been given the challenging if not unenviable task of saying how could UAP technology

impact innovation without knowing quite what that UAP technology is uh even

fundamentally so what I’d like to try and do today is give you an example of how microg gravity is impacting

innovation and really almost every industrial field and how that could be

transformative i don’t know if extraterrestrial civilizations are using this i think they likely would be but I

think this is an example of how a fundamental shift in technology can change everything uh our company Redwire

has been conducting experiments on the International Space Station on the space shuttle for literally decades we have

flown hundreds of experiments over the past 35 plus years we have 11 experiments active on the International

Space Station right now more than any other company you see Senator John Glenn running one of our experiments there the

first one I’d like to show you is the biofabrication facility the BFF we’re

great at acronyms at Redwire if you can play the video please this is by the way an over 400 pound payload it broke the

table at our facility in Greenville Indiana much easier to handle in orbit

that astronaut a cup span working very quickly of coffee at 20 times speed but

he’s installing what is a biofabrication unit and that system has

allowed us to manufacture human tissue in space it resulted in the first human

meniscus being printed in space who needs a meniscus

no I could probably use two right exactly this is the impact of

microgravity that if you try to create that meniscus on Earth and again I’m a recovering attorney so I’m going to put

it simply it squishes you couldn’t do that in a gravity environment it’s not space per se it’s the lack of gravity

that allows you to do these incredible things uh subsequent to the success we

had with the meniscus we printed live cardiovascular tissue and we brought it

back from the International Space Station still live think what this could

mean for people suffering from heart disease the creation of heart patches and of course the goal of all of us is

ultimately to create whole organs in space how many of us have had friends

and relatives die while waiting on an organ donation list this could change

all of that additionally because we would be using your own stem cells to create the tissue the organs we would

avoid the dangerous and expensive anti-rejection therapies that you go

through so we see how microgravity could have a dramatic impact in terms of life

sciences also pharmaceuticals red Wire has flown 28 pill boxes these are

systems where we take pharmaceuticals drugs fly the seed crystals and seed

crystals by the way they’re like a sourdough starting kit they’re what the drugs are made out of and when you

create seed crystals in microgravity they’re larger more uniform and that

results in drugs with better efficacy better longitude fewer side effects

here’s a example that is very near and dear to my heart insulin we partnered with Eli Liy we flew insulin over on the

left side of that that’s what insulin seed crystals look like when you create them on Earth over on the right side

that’s what insulin looks like in space the seed crystals again I got a B minus

in biology as a high school student even I can tell the difference between one and the other and because of those

larger more unifals you could have a version of insulin we’ve seen versions of cancer treatment drugs that whereas

you’d have to go through chemotherapy that would be injected again long painful you could potentially get to a

version of the drug where it could be administered worldly so a tremendous difference here relative to the

pharmaceutical sector and by the way it’s not just us who know this it’s China and the Chinese have their space

station they’re going after the same research so each time Congressman I would ignite as we look at the

international space station replacing it with commercial space station this revolution with biotech and microgravity

is going to happen the only question is it going to happen here in America the free world or is it going to be

happening in China and I do not want to be buying my next generation pharmaceuticals and drugs from the

Chinese so we need to continue to support this and create new developments but this is just life sciences and

biotech again micrograv will impact semiconductors the same principles when you form crystals in space you can

create new types of semiconductors that are more powerful more tolerant of heat agriculture you can create seeds new

types of plants that can flourish in the desert we have a a greenhouse that we’re

flying in space looking at many of that efforts you see that there uh we also have systems for what’s called ZLAN

fiber where it’s a new type of fiber optic that can be incredibly powerful again every aspect of our technological

society could be changed by this innovation is this something that UAP

are using is this new substances that they’re using i don’t know perhaps but you see how this field will

revolutionize everything and I believe in the future the leaders of microgravity will not only be the

leaders in economics but in national security as well as a matter of fact that miniscus print the customer for

that was the uniform services university because the number one injury to our men and women in uniform are meniscus teams

now I’d like to talk about a who wants to see some unclassified data right

let’s talk about some imagery that we’re getting from NASA as Lou mentioned I was proud to be a member of NASA’s UAP

independent study team we had some very common sense recommendations one of

which that I testified here in the House not too long ago alongside the great

Alzando and others was that we need to go into the NASA archives get the

imagery review it make it public and look at what we’ve got this is an

example that hit the internet not too long ago is it Tic Tac it’s on Mars i

don’t know i’m not qualified to say but someone should be looking at it and we should be collecting and collating the

data here’s one that’s even more interesting to me lunar horizon glow

this is a phenomena that we first saw with the surveyor systems this is named

a glow that we’re seeing on the horizon of the moon we saw it with the robotic

surveyors and what you see in the upper left hand side are sketches that Apollo astronauts made of this phenomena a

glowing dome streaks of light shooting out from the lunar surface pretty

extraordinary and then most recently this was my cover slide with the Blue

Ghost system which is NASA’s commercial lunar payload services program Eclipse a wonderful public private partnership to

reach the moon with Redwire Argus cameras we took this image of the lunar

horizon glow what you might hear uh if you go on a NASA website or talk to some in the

scientific community is that this effect is from dust that has been

electrostatically charged and then levitated to create this impact now

again I’m not saying one way or the other but um Dr i should go back and

give him credit uh Dr manett’s dire I’m gonna I’m gonna

mess up his name and I apologize it’s in the slides but a wonderful professor who’s been associated with UAP disclosure fund uh and doing work on

this topic providing these slides and I can tell you NASA’s own research lab

other systems is putting some big question marks as to even if there is enough dust create this effect which

looks unlikely and that if dust could be electrostatically charged to cause what

I mean looks like the second sunrise and that’s not the sun by the way it’s below

the horizon i mean that is an extraordinary image and by the way when

I first saw this picture I was like is that algae on the moon and what you’re

seeing is light refraction occurring due to I don’t know

what so I don’t know what this is is it a dome is it some type of natural

phenomena that we don’t understand aren’t aware of but I’ll tell you definitely it’s a unidentified anomalous

phenomenon which bears looking and bears understanding and this is a good example

too of even if it’s a natural or prosaic phenomenon there’s something

extraordinary currently we should be delving into it we should be studying it and understanding it and on the off

chance that does turn out to be something extraordinary I mean we need to know what is occurring here uh

additionally here’s another shot publicly available from the NASA

archives you’ve seen some imagery of the triangular UAVs in the past

what’s that debris satellites that’s from the moon right

that’s Apollo 17 we had that picture images from Apollo 17 a few of us saw

something like that uh last Friday yeah extraordinary sad clingons what is it i

don’t know who do you know congressman you know what that is why are we not

investigating this and what I would ask of our brave members of Congress who are here is again with relatively little

effort and money we should be leveraging AI and ML to go into the NASA archives

so much of this has been digitized more every day and conduct a review of what’s

publicly available at UA we spend so much time here and justifiably so

talking about classified material what’s being hidden yet there is a treasure trove of data that if not a smoking gun

certainly is fascinating and worth looking at and applying the scientific method to and these images that you’re

seeing here and here’s more of another UAP from Apollo more of potentially a

Stonehenge strange structures on the moon lunar anomalies that look like

Buddhist temples i’m not saying necessarily all of these have extraordinary explanations maybe some of

them don’t maybe some of them do but it certainly is worth the effort to

investigate and we’re not doing that right now why because of the stigma this

pernicious stigma that prevents us from tackling it and sir that’s where we’re going to need your help that I have many

friends at NASA that are interested in this topic fascinated by it want to delve into it but they need top cover

and that’s why I’d be so grateful to be offline talk more about what we can do with your UNAS administrator coming in

and this isn’t going to cost a lot of money you know this could be done with very little time very little effort yet

the results could be extraordinary finally as we get back to technology I

just wanted to level set relative to what it takes to travel in space three days to the moon 7 to 10 months to Mars

i can tell you exposure to radiation during that trip quite dangerous and challenging

77,000 years to pox in the centator our closest star i mean that’s worse than my

flight since you rough and then 1.7 million years to

get to where we’ve seen some bio signatures for the first time if we’re truly going to explore space we’re going

to need some innovative technology and here we already spent some time discussing the Alcub warp tribe this was

a Mexican physicist who did the initial work proving that within demonstrated

science and I would defer to Eric Davis here but but this is not extraordinary science that a warp drive could exist

the challenge with Altar’s warp drive is that it would require roughly the mass

of Jupiter converted into energy to operate i mean I had a Chevy Suburban

and that was not fuel efficient this would be even more difficult but a

scientist at NASA what was then NASA’s Eagle Works tweaked basically the architecture of the Liberia war drive

and perhaps found some ways to get that down to more the mass of the VW you know

something that we could work with so these are the kinds of technologies that if there is a gravitic system or some

kind of extraordinary technology we must have it in order to traverse those distances and have America and our

international partners lead in space exploration additionally energy i mean

if we are sitting on extraordinary technology zero point energy the castmir effect as we discussed think of the good

we could do in terms of saving the environment improving the economy

creating a post scarcity society it would be extraordinary it would be wonderful and let me just end by saying

the reverse of that is we do not want to fall behind China relative to leveraging

extraordinary technology i don’t know if there’s alien tech out there there may be there might not be but can we risk

falling behind the Chinese and reverse engineering if there is such technology

and this is again where the stigma is so pernicious that I’m sure China has its

top officials working on this 247 coordinated whereas US separated

it’s compartmentalized MIT working on it is tech working on it no we cannot risk

losing communist China because we can’t take this issue seriously we must not

let a lack of vision turn into a lack of freedom thank you

all right well thank you for the uh brief presentation folks um again time is of the essence so I’m going to make

these uh as succinct as possible is it okay if I present as well yeah absolutely i’d love you to present i was

ask questions actually about that so please have the floor uh well I just wanted to say I really appreciate Mike

all the work you’ve done in microgravity and and certainly for you know any of these craft that are you know that are

in space above the Montgomery they have that access to microgravity should they choose to use it uh at our firm American

Deep Tech we’re very focused on a number of areas of deep technology including space tech energy and advanced bio

including one of our co-founders Cat with Despera they they believe they’ve identified a cancer kill switch and I

know you work together we’re talking with her yeah cancer kill switch in microgravity so just you know for

pharmaceuticals that access to microgravity you see the aging within 9

days it would take a year terrestrially for a tumor so that ability to speed up

that iteration on drug development is very important so we’ve got some some really interesting people that we work

with a CTO coming out of NASA a branch chief um coming out of Space for some

very high growth entrepreneurs we also work uh with some leaders you know as our adviserss and venture partners in

the UAP space because we see the keys you know of these areas of technology to

drive that abundance that competitive advantage you know and just societal benefit so people like we’re you know

we’re fortunate to have as our adviser Hal Kuto uh and also to work with people

like uh Julia Mossbridge and Ryan Graves and Diane Finen so I I know that they

are active in so many areas of technology uh but also in UIP and so how

did we come in my former roles which which I thank you so much for that kind introduction which I I’ve completed my

roles in the US government where I was the co-chair alongside NASA of the US space economy inter agency working group

we work with exceptional innovation forward UAP forward and open leaders

across the inter agency And those meetings are public they’re available online us space disruptors day and that

was a day of about um you know 10 sometimes 12 hours of presentations on

in space biotechnology in space semiconductors US launch uh also UAP

also advanced consciousness AI communications and satellites so there

was uh actually inter agency leadership on that ho co-hosted this UAP leading

content from NASA Space Force

DOE DHS Air Force these were all very senior people um NSF and SBA so while I would

say um that in years past before this great movement towards transparency and gratitude for those in the room who have

really led that um you know since the 2017 time frame and before time has

changed and innovation is not about unfortunately because we we want

everybody to come along you know we we appreciate you know it’s great once you get beyond 50% innovation and science

are not about consensus this isn’t we don’t wait to get to 51% this is the the the leaders are are

doing this the fast followers are also doing this and the the reasons why

they’re doing this is because they’re sitting in rooms groups of people we had an extended electronamics group of uh

leaders from across the inter agency and also the private sector and they were

working on advanced energy they were working on advanced communications they

there are funded entrepreneurs uh at well at NSF public awards we funded and I funded companies working on

what the entrepreneurs later described as UAP adjacent or UAP inspired

technologies uh one of those actually multiple of those people have spoken having worked

on um programs that they can’t go into great depth about but certainly others are undertaking that private sector

research where it’s not about it being classified first and this um but the

point on how do you how do you get your communications uh back and forth to Mars

you know without dealing with the 40minut latency how do you do that and what are what are the approaches for

breaking those barriers how do you achieve this energy abundance and and

that more efficient launch capability so it was these conversations on what could

be achieved and what’s already been in some cases declassified in terms of uh work and outcomes or was never

classified really led to conversations where we invited in experts who then said do you want my my extended

electronamics uh presentation or you want my UAP presentation we said you know we’d like

both of those and so that what that led to was receiving that tremendous

presentation uh from Hal from Charles Chase and from others and saying

actually uh can can you give this to more people and so they gave that those types of

presentations um to hundreds of people and what we found with those entrepreneurs was this was the highest

level of engagement we ever got in any field of science or technology and I’m seeing people in the audience who are

part of it shaking their heads yes so the entrepreneurs were so eager and

scientists to engage in the UAP um science and technology and as a frame of

reference when we talk about disruptive technology I’ve worked with a few of them because I’ve had the opportunity to

fund around 400 companies to work with thousands of entrepreneurs those companies from just a quarter billion a

quarter billion plus put out have gone on to raise 8.5 billion in follow on financing and 17.5 billion in total

market cap just in the early years that’s coming out of a place that the program which is not the UAP program but

a program that has catalyzed well over $350 billion you know from well less

than 20 probably 12 billion put out over several decades so these entrepreneurs

oftentimes these highest growth ones regardless of what they’re working in it

can be batteries they’re told never going to work i mean we all have batteries right people will say a higher

performing battery here’s why it’s not going to work so these entrepreneurs are used to being told no and why not and

they still build things and what’s happening today not just in America but around the world because the first time

I saw these experiences was overseas is people are seeing ultra advanced craft

that are higher performing and for people that are building the highest performing craft and the highest

performing energy they are not trying to unsee what they have seen you know and

that they caught on a a wide wide range of sensors there’s the classified

sensors and then there’s the sensors like this we have imagery you know on our phones um from going out and and

seeing things so I think that the um the impetus to build things is what’s

driving this and what would be the right levels to really go after this you know

this is something that a few of us have spoken about but uh my background is also as a strategist so we we do a lot

of strategy math and uh I used to be at BCG and the question of if you’re

building the highest performing systems what type of resources would you put in

place so if we look at you know we and I’m I’m sharing kind of casually Google

numbers so you can we can get to better definition but how much money went into

the ISS our long-term inspace laboratory some of the numbers online say that it

was well over 70 billion for the US part of that and that with other nations

contributions it might be 150 billion what was the cost of the Apollo program

that was 26 billion you know uh you know from the 60s to the 70s uh some

estimates put that at inflation adjusted well well over 200 perhaps $250 billion

dollars so if you were to ask me today what is the right amount of money to be

investing in these ultra high performing technologies these Manhattan style

projects it’s well into the hundreds of billions of dollars that’s the right answer today whether the US makes that

investment or whether somebody else does we are talking about advantage for

multi- trillion dollar markets so some would say perhaps we made the right

investments over time that we’ve invested those tens of billions or those hundreds of billions and if we have how

do we celebrate the accomplishments that might have come out of those programs how do we give the recognition to those

scientists those people who have served who perhaps have not been able to speak about their work how do we derive value

from that how do we say these pieces that might have been constrained because you didn’t have access to the tools

everybody else has access to on the outside and the collaboration how can we bring the pieces in in a way that is

respectful to national security and increases resilience and and abundance

and I I am concerned i mean I I appreciate I think many of us want

transparency but also how do we make that so the people who may have worked in this want to come forward you know so

if we’re offering them oh you built something you’re given resources and here’s some punishment that that’s going

to be hard to get the technology out how you know and there’s lots of ways that that could be brought fully forth it

could be anonymized into a centralized clearing house if there is valuable technology there that can help people in

the United States and around the world let’s celebrate what’s been built and let’s build the gaps that are there so

we see tremendous opportunity um the race is on some would say those are

exceptionally uh large programs uh many of us have seen these this wide range of

phenomena be they craft be they orbs these the reason it matters so sometimes

the first time you see this phenomena it’s a point of interest and you say wow

you know I kind of thought there was life off planet whether it’s life off planet or advanced terrestrial technology but you think well okay

interesting now back to our dayto-day what do we do with this and so a number of us came to because our core roles

were advanced energy advanced computation advanced biology the answer was people who are working in their core

fields of biotechnology technology quantum that they’re seeing some of the

potential path forward through this UAP and GSM technology can we classify it

today i don’t know how i mean there are parts that we can say stay away from

this due to this risk but the challenge on some of this is if if you’re to say we’ll classify UAP technology you just

got to stop working on it for people that are familiar with the science and the technology there are elements of

this that are relevant to quantum and quantum entanglement so what does that mean for our national posture on quantum

ai is interwoven with this you talk about microgravity and advanced materials so do we just not do certain

layering or advancement of certain materials because they’ve been found in the crash retrieval we’re not able to

walk back because this is so interwoven so saying that UAP is off limits that’s

like saying let’s go home let’s you know maybe can we still use fire you know maybe maybe you know let’s look into it

you know can you still use rocks so many of the fields of technology would be off

limits so honestly we don’t know how to to you know this idea we don’t once you’re in that you don’t even know it’s

like saying stop using math so the entrepreneurs are getting inspired they’re seeing things and and so this is

kind of humorous to scientists so we both appreciate that people are talking about crash retrievals and reverse

engineering are there crash retrievals well are there crashes i mean there’s deer retrievals where I live i mean a

crash seems a lot more interesting than a deer to pick up and uh anybody who

knows an engineer says the first time you see anything of interest you’re certainly going to reverse engineer it

so whether that happens inside government programs or whether it happens out in the streets Americans and

people around the world are seeing this phenomena and uh those that build things are saying you know what do we build

together so we we’ve seen these on a number of occasions we’ve brought some high ranking uh scientists down to folks

who are able in in spots where these show up more frequently and uh it’s

worth noting that there are people a number of groups of people who are currently pulling in or attracting craft

you know and other phenomena and some some people just happen to see them i’m looking right at you Ryan you saw a lot

of these but um so there are people that have seen these infrequently there are people who have seen these on a

dayto-day basis when we’ve spoken with scientists you know over the past year or two and so this is this is coming out

of places that some would see as the scientific establishment and can can we talk about this can we not you know and

some of these conversations hadn’t taken place as openly when they did what we found was when we go into rooms and we

talk with people who are innovators they’re usually it’s usually 30 to 50%

of people will share that they’ve seen or experienced anomalous phenomenon you

know sometimes they say “Oh no I haven’t seen a UAP.” And then they say “Well you know I did this orb over a football

field and you know it was huge and then so people have seen things and we’ve had to have the conversation with leaders in

science where we said by the way times have changed there’s all this great work that’s been done towards disclosure and

when we started talking to people about it where we might have thought it was one in 20 or one in a 100 seems like

it’s more like one in three or two and three or maybe three and three and three three people aren’t talking about it and

um so that We’ve had the conversation which is it is not credible or viable to

act like this isn’t going on so it’s it’s a little we use the analogy that it’s a little bit like whale watching

it’s both normal to if you live by the coast only certainly but if you live by the coast you have access to get out of

the water you know there’s a percentage of people who would have seen whales there’s a percentage who haven’t it’s

normal both ways so nothing to feel like you know special or not special you know regardless but it’s ubiquitous so if you

can’t go in front of a room of people you know if you’ve seen that and it’s

cred and if you haven’t seen it say listen people are saying this they know so to be credible you you do need to

acknowledge it’s out there there’s so much data there’s so much people have on their iPhones you know there’s so many

people who will speak to the programs on the high side they’re in but the low side you know is not waiting for

agreement they’re not the fortune one the US government can lead this we can

try to figure out what benefit we have from the great work people in this country and perhaps around the world have done or people are ready to move

forward and uh when I was in government I used to receive proposals and without

going into the details in any of them you know in various fields of technology where people think they’re the only ones

no any idea you have believe me dozens of people are working at the same time so this is something that right now both

in this country around the world there are so many people that are eager to build this and a number of them are

already building these things up so just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean that it isn’t happening all over the

place both in this country and abroad so if we need to lead if we want to lead we need to be active so I’m I’m looking we

always listen with respect to innovators and entrepreneurs and I want to thank so many of you for sharing what you’ve seen

uh there is an opportunity i I I expect more scientists are going to be engaging directly with the phenomena and as

scientists they’re going to be doing experiments and and methods okay so you want to talk about something that people

talk even less about than UAPs so the the thing that was even more of a

third rail than UAPs is the sources and methods for some of this so as you’re hearing about there’s a number of teams

that are working calm this phenomena and they’re talking about all these different things some of them have these okay ultra exotic protocols and then one

of the one of the groups that we went to visit with some scientists their

protocol was prayer and it was not some exotic thing was the our father the Hail

Mary you know conversation and I’m not trying to constrain it to any any denomination or any faith or lack

thereof because I I think one of the hesitencies people have is they don’t they want this to be for everybody and

not um not to be specific or linked with one thing but sources and methods when we’re talking science there are people

through meditation or very you know dayby-day prayer are calling in these

craft you know and these orbs so uh it’s science let’s talk about what it is and then assess it

so my first question actually is to you Anna um so there was a recent statement

by a government official and it kind of went unnoticed i think it was a few weeks ago where they said “We are now

manipulating space time we have the ability to manipulate space time.” So I’ll let that sink in for a moment that

was an official statement by a US government representative you can

elaborate on that well there’s certainly been uh publicly visible funding that has gone into that and um I’ll say a

couple things before I would say there’s a a much better expert in the audience uh Dr julia Mossbridge in terms of um

space-time work um also that’s something that Dr hal Puto with spacetime metric engineering has been very active in um

so so there’s been plenty of work on that and um there there’s a lot that’s

going on so the backdrop of that the National Science Foundation has been a fundamental Oh and sorry just one quick

thing to say but by the way um we we also a few of us were also maybe several

of us in the room about over a year ago were on uh the National Mall at the

National Academy of Sciences where it was National Space Week and there were some uh presenters from around the world

and that also included a representative uh from the the Chinese government

presumably the CCK and the presentation that they were putting up included

request quest for we want to work with people on I believe it was space-time metric engineering uh it was

gravitational control and it was also alien life on the planet amongst other

things like renewables so the Chinese are literally coming down to the

National Mall and saying hi come talk to us about this you know and

so come on seriously another thing that they said by the way you know in terms

of many of us have been advocating for much higher levels of capital to go into

innovation and also into inspace infrastructure which does not have access to the terrestrial financial

tools like debt you know so if you buy a house Most people they’re making a smaller down payment 20% 5% whatever

they could do more of a minimum in space it’s typically you’ve got to front all of the money up front can you if you’re

not going to build a hospital for the individual patient you need to have the financial model so anyways when I was

trying to figure out what was the space budget for China they wouldn’t tell me but um the the gentleman did look at me

in disdain and know he’s talking to all of you he said when we look at putting up a space

We view that as that cost the same amount of money as putting down a couple of kilometers of metro basically we’re

going to do that all day every day so if we can’t figure out how to make the investments to win in

these transformational markets for abundance for societal benefits and for

economic growth and gain uh we’re going to be left behind so this is a So the people that are moving forward are

moving forward we really hope that the u the US government fortune one um you

know is able to share some of the great work that’s been done you know previously across all these fields but

the private sector is moving forward folks we’re going to have time for only two very quick questions we’re

already way over our time and we have to unfortunately surrender this room back over to folks so let me finish i’ve got

two here and then afterwards you want to get with our guests you can um we’re not going to have time to open it up right now for for public questions i have uh

let me get to this real quick and if we could our guests could please keep um the answer as succinct as possible

before we actually get to other room um let me start with with with you Anna

um the National Science Foundation has been a fundamental pillar of some of America’s revolutionary technology and

concepts for many decades how can the NSF help the government now concerning

the topic of UAVs well I guess one of the things that’s just publicly visible is that we have

been uh when I was formerly at NSF uh I would just say that there’s lots of publicly visible content of us being

very um forward on the topic listening to innovators working with strong

colleagues from across the inter agency so I I think that um NSF has shown and

NSF leadership has also just been extremely supportive so I just want to be very clear i left the government I’m

excited about building things in the private sector and I only ever received the greatest support and collaboration

from my inter agency colleagues and from the agencies with which I worked who are extremely forward on all areas of

innovation but certainly UAP fits within that including our publicly visible awards that were made to uh fund UAP

science there’s plenty there’s great people that are highly supportive you know particularly over there excellent

very encouraging thank you Mike um last question you were on the NASA UAP

independent study team my question for you is what were the recommendations of the NASA UAP independent study team and

how those recommendations how should those recommendations be implemented for the

purpose of time thank you for that question i’ll focus on two of those recommendations we already discussed

going through the NASA archives with an AI ML system to get the data just a few

examples of which we were able to show today again which could be quite extraordinary mechanically I think there

are companies that would even volunteer to do that work for NASA but the second one and I really appreciate you showing

that photo which was taken by a commercial pilot and one of the great disappointments I had when I was on the

UAP defense study team was I was asking the FAA “How many reports have you gotten from commercial vitals are those

reports being archived how are we keeping track of that?” And I got confusion confusion and no straight

answers and here I’d like to give credit to Brian Gray again uh for suggesting

that we leverage NASA’s aviation safety recruiting system ASRS which has been

operating for decades has hundreds of thousands of cases and this is a confidential system where pilots crew

can call in about safety anomalies that they’ve experienced it’s worked phenomenally well we should be

leveraging this system for the reporting of EUP it could be done quickly it could

be done efficiently and the amount of data that we will receive would be

amazing additionally the images that I showed you was from Google the commercially implent services program

public private partnerships have driven all of this i’m so excited for the democratization of space and the data

that we will get from that this was just one example today as SpaceX Blue Origin

Redwire other companies move forward all with their own cameras all with our own systems we’re going to get a lot more

data but NASA still holds on to a lot of it so for example with what I presented

we need the raw data we need timestamps we need data in a format where we can do

true academic research so if we were just to do those two things and again we

can do support from Congress i think to push that uh I think NASA will play a tremendously important role and

particularly the aviation community and the commercial space community the amount of data we get I think will

completely shift the level of sophistication on this topic and and I think there’s also um probably about 20

or 30 hours of some of that um forward inter agency content um in space

disruptors day and the ecosic futures podcast which we have Diane in the room here today so thank you Diane for

helping get that information out broadly i do have to say though I’m a little less optimistic than Anna relative to

the adoption in government as I said during my testimony that particularly academic members of the Nancy UAP

independent study team were threatened outright threatened not for saying UAP

are real but for just having the timmerity of even reviewing the topic

you can’t do science in that environment and part of the reason that I’m calling for Congress to help is there’s still a

great deal of skepticism even just at NASA and careers that get ended just for having again the tearity research for it

so I think it’s incumbent of all of us to push for real signs objective science

overcome that stigma let’s get to the data because our economy and our national security may be depending on it

and I think you contributed so much so what I would say is some of the things that you experienced you know or that

Lou you know and Chris and others experience there’s that body of having been able to point to those leaders so

we had the advantage of being able to point to your study you know and to this prior work so um you know and again I I

think there’s the opportunity for the government but I would say that it’s it’s not there are industries that move

forward that are not um forwarded by the government but I I think just to be

something very important that came out because sometimes if we say oh UAP this UAP that um there’s going to be some

great technologies that come out of that that is very fluffy you know and who cares so I think um something that I got

briefed on in an unclassified just informal no classification level

environment and both in in personal capacity but then I later brought that

person in to brief others in the agency is there a real and meaningful

technologies that have come from these programs and I think with a lot of this information you’re going to see that you

know the story about it has been in the internet for decades perhaps so what I

have though on uh from a very credible source was that yes there are people who

say that this came out of the UAP programs when we talk about lasers and

semiconductors and that was so important you know semiconductors the top 10

companies today a $6.5 trillion industry that we all

benefit from and underpins our global economy that is something that it’s not

just oh maybe we’ll get something it’s that there are tremendous people who have built things you know both in

classified and unclassified environments and u that’s been you know put out by so many authors and people in the news but

some are in environments that we can say this is taken seriously and those people have told the government that yes

there’s been real advantage on some of these most important core technologies from coming from crash retrieval and I

think to get the government to take it seriously we need to engage the public we’ve got to get outside the UAP bubble

and Dan Farah did a tremendous movie age disclosure it’s really blue story in many It’s extraordinary himself and Jay

Stratton if we can touch the public if we can get them engaged if we can get them the same information that we just

saw I think that would be completely transformative well let me since time is

up yes and first of all thank you sincerely for your participation it was it was fantastic conversation let me

leave a couple thoughts here if I may before we say a final farewell uh one of the recommendations we made to Congress

is the um generation of a national intelligence strategy that would be promulgated on annual basis just like we

do for other targets um it’s a system that we have perfected already and then right on the heels of that a national

strategy every year annual strategy on UAP and drone basically any unattributed

objects that are in our skies uh we should have a strategy for it because we’re seeing both on the combat field

and even the streets of New York we’re seeing technologies that we we can’t really explain and frankly could be used

against us in a very nefarious way if we don’t get a handle on it um two what I’d like to do is propose

and and hopefully Congress at some point will be open to this that we should do a forum like this every year for the

American public and for the media and allow Congress to get to uh the bottom of things and ask the questions that

they normally wouldn’t be able to ask and bring in the Department of Justice and the intelligence community the

Department of Defense and bring them all here why not right set them down here in front of the American people by the way

I look at it you’re paying their their their paychecks anyways right they kind of owe you some answers and they owe Congress some answers um I would also

say please let your members of Congress know that you support this if you like what Representative Burles and

Representative Luna and Rashett and others have done here today let them know right they need to hear this and so

other members of Congress can see this and say “Hey that works right tell them

that they need to hear that feedback.” Unless you don’t want one of these again

um but that would be my suggestion last but not least I want to thank specifically our members of Congress um

because at the end of the day they’re your representatives they represent this country they are very much part of this

country and they are the reasons why you are all here today and when you’re here they have facilitated this they have

sponsored this they have gone out of their way to put their political careers potentially in jeopardy for even having

this conversation for you so um if you appreciate

this let us know and last but not least thank you to every one of you again our friends in the media the folks that came

over here some cases uh came from across the world and traveled here very long

distances to be with us here today thank you very much um is very meaningful and

we’re all here because it’s been a group effort so with that said let’s give a round of applause to our guest here and

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out of this room so without further ado uh this meeting Is that